5237 Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:47:10 -0400
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Can we be a little bit more specific here. Steve, if the girl can walk and
do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know what to
do? Especially after a couple of attempts.
Keith, HK
On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:
>
> "Why aren't they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that
> many women become visibly upset if you lead something and they don't
> know what to do. After a try or two, it's best to leave it alone.
> And, you know, mostly, the women don't ask for input, or even want to
> discuss things after they've had lessons or found an adequate number
> of partners they feel comfortable with. If something doesn't work, it is
> surely the fact that the man didn't lead it well. Right?
> But then, maybe that is because we don't have men who have been doing
> this for decades.
> If you want to learn, you take lessons from a "teacher". Right?
>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:33:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: steve pastor <tang0man2005@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Keith:
If you seriously wish to engage in discussions with people in this
forum, you might want to avoid replies such as this one, which you
posted recently.
"Of course, Jeff, I'm sure the reason couldn't possibly be your poor leading.
Personally, I've never had a woman ... "automatically resolve into an ocho".
If you want something different, Jeff, lead something different. And if you
can't - don't blame the woman.
Keith, HK"
Keith <keith@tangohk.com> wrote:
Can we be a little bit more specific here. Steve, if the girl can walk and
do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know what to
do? Especially after a couple of attempts.
Keith, HK
On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:
>
> "Why aren't they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that
> many women become visibly upset if you lead something and they don't
> know what to do. After a try or two, it's best to leave it alone.
> And, you know, mostly, the women don't ask for input, or even want to
> discuss things after they've had lessons or found an adequate number
> of partners they feel comfortable with. If something doesn't work, it is
> surely the fact that the man didn't lead it well. Right?
> But then, maybe that is because we don't have men who have been doing
> this for decades.
> If you want to learn, you take lessons from a "teacher". Right?
>
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Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:19:19 -0400
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Hey Steve,
If you can't answer the question, just say so. You sound like yet another guy
who likes to talk-the-talk but can't walk-the-walk. Tango is full of them'
And thanks for reminding me what I wrote to Jeff - same thing hold for you Steve.
A Tango Man's motto should be - NEVER BLAME THE WOMAN.
Keith, HK
On Sun Oct 14 7:33 , steve pastor sent:
>Keith:
> If you seriously wish to engage in discussions with people in this
> forum, you might want to avoid replies such as this one, which you
> posted recently.
>
> "Of course, Jeff, I'm sure the reason couldn't possibly be your poor leading.
>Personally, I've never had a woman ... "automatically resolve into an ocho".
>If you want something different, Jeff, lead something different. And if you
>can't - don't blame the woman.
>
>Keith, HK"
>
>
>
>
>Keith keith@tangohk.com> wrote:
> Can we be a little bit more specific here. Steve, if the girl can walk and
>do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know what to
>do? Especially after a couple of attempts.
>
>Keith, HK
>
>On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:
>
>>
>> "Why aren't they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that
>> many women become visibly upset if you lead something and they don't
>> know what to do. After a try or two, it's best to leave it alone.
>> And, you know, mostly, the women don't ask for input, or even want to
>> discuss things after they've had lessons or found an adequate number
>> of partners they feel comfortable with. If something doesn't work, it is
>> surely the fact that the man didn't lead it well. Right?
>> But then, maybe that is because we don't have men who have been doing
>> this for decades.
>> If you want to learn, you take lessons from a "teacher". Right?
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:56:30 +0000
From: Felix Delgado <felixydelgado@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
> From: keith@tangohk.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:19:19 -0400> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads> > Hey Steve,> > If you can't answer the question, just say so. You sound like yet another guy> who likes to talk-the-talk but can't walk-the-walk. Tango is full of them' > > And thanks for reminding me what I wrote to Jeff - same thing hold for you Steve.> > A Tango Man's motto should be - NEVER BLAME THE WOMAN. > > Keith, HK
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> On Sun Oct 14 7:33 , steve pastor sent:> > >Keith: > > If you seriously wish to engage in discussions with people in this> > forum, you might want to avoid replies such as this one, which you > > posted recently.> > > > "Of course, Jeff, I'm sure the reason couldn't possibly be your poor leading.> >Personally, I've never had a woman ... "automatically resolve into an ocho".> >If you want something different, Jeff, lead something different. And if you> >can't - don't blame the woman. > >> >Keith, HK"> >> > > >> >> >Keith keith@tangohk.com> wrote:> > Can we be a little bit more specific here. Steve, if the girl can walk and> >do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know what to > >do? Especially after a couple of attempts. > >> >Keith, HK> >> >On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:> >> >> > >> "Why aren't they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that> >> many women become visibly upset if you lead something and they don't> >> know what t!
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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:10:12 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: Felix Delgado <felixydelgado@hotmail.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
My personal approach is "don't feed the trolls." That is, don't respond, and I frankly haven't opened an email from Keith UK in weeks.
J
> From: felixydelgado@hotmail.com
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:56:30 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
>
>
> > From: keith@tangohk.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:19:19 -0400> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads> > Hey Steve,> > If you can't answer the question, just say so. You sound like yet another guy> who likes to talk-the-talk but can't walk-the-walk. Tango is full of them' > > And thanks for reminding me what I wrote to Jeff - same thing hold for you Steve.> > A Tango Man's motto should be - NEVER BLAME THE WOMAN. > > Keith, HK
>
> Can the List owner step in and enforce the Tango-L guidelines with respect to this person:
>
> List Rules, Policies and Guidelines
> Personal attacks of individuals (also called ad hominem attacks) have proven to be the most disruptive, with many subscribers leaving the list as a result. Hence, violators of this rule are subject to removal without notice.
>
>
> > On Sun Oct 14 7:33 , steve pastor sent:> > >Keith: > > If you seriously wish to engage in discussions with people in this> > forum, you might want to avoid replies such as this one, which you > > posted recently.> > > > "Of course, Jeff, I'm sure the reason couldn't possibly be your poor leading.> >Personally, I've never had a woman ... "automatically resolve into an ocho".> >If you want something different, Jeff, lead something different. And if you> >can't - don't blame the woman. > >> >Keith, HK"> >> > > >> >> >Keith keith@tangohk.com> wrote:> > Can we be a little bit more specific here. Steve, if the girl can walk and> >do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know what to > >do? Especially after a couple of attempts. > >> >Keith, HK> >> >On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:> >> >> > >> "Why aren't they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that> >> many women become visibly upset if you lead something and they don't> >> know what!
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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:51:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: steve pastor <tang0man2005@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: Felix Delgado <felixydelgado@hotmail.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
You, meaning anyone concerned with this issue, may wish to
review the text at this url -
https://www.sculpture.net/community/showthread.php?t976
I particularly like the comments taken from Contentious.com.
Felix Delgado <felixydelgado@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: keith@tangohk.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:19:19 -0400> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads> > Hey Steve,> > If you can't answer the question, just say so. You sound like yet another guy> who likes to talk-the-talk but can't walk-the-walk. Tango is full of them' > > And thanks for reminding me what I wrote to Jeff - same thing hold for you Steve.> > A Tango Man's motto should be - NEVER BLAME THE WOMAN. > > Keith, HK
Can the List owner step in and enforce the Tango-L guidelines with respect to this person:
List Rules, Policies and Guidelines
Personal attacks of individuals (also called ad hominem attacks) have proven to be the most disruptive, with many subscribers leaving the list as a result. Hence, violators of this rule are subject to removal without notice.
> On Sun Oct 14 7:33 , steve pastor sent:> > >Keith: > > If you seriously wish to engage in discussions with people in this> > forum, you might want to avoid replies such as this one, which you > > posted recently.> > > > "Of course, Jeff, I'm sure the reason couldn't possibly be your poor leading.> >Personally, I've never had a woman ... "automatically resolve into an ocho".> >If you want something different, Jeff, lead something different. And if you> >can't - don't blame the woman. > >> >Keith, HK"> >> > > >> >> >Keith keith@tangohk.com> wrote:> > Can we be a little bit more specific here. Steve, if the girl can walk and> >do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know what to > >do? Especially after a couple of attempts. > >> >Keith, HK> >> >On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:> >> >> > >> "Why aren't they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that> >> many women become visibly upset if you lead something and they don't> >> know what t!
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:58:56 -0400
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Hahahahahahahaha, Felix, Steve, Anton, Jay - you guys are even more uptight than I could ever have imagined.
You obviously don't like blunt talk and critical comments. Just what kind of sheltered world do you guys
live in? You also don't like dialogue where someone actually questions your statements - and if you reread
my posts, I was just asking for some clarifiaction of statements made by Steve and Jeff.
Felix - you're a funny guy, hahahahahahahahahahaha. Lucky I didn't see your post before I went away for a
short holiday. Otherwise, I've spent all my time fretting about whether the list owner was going to remove
me, hahahahahahahahaha.
I'd like to apologise, but I really don't know what for. Except - I'm sorry you're so thin-skinned. You guys
really need to chill.
Keith, HK
On Sun Oct 14 9:56 , Felix Delgado sent:
>
>> From: keith@tangohk.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:19:19 -0400> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good
leads> > Hey Steve,> > If you can't answer the question, just say so. You sound like yet another guy> who likes to talk-the-talk but can't
walk-the-walk. Tango is full of them' > > And thanks for reminding me what I wrote to Jeff - same thing hold for you Steve.> > A Tango Man's
motto should be - NEVER BLAME THE WOMAN. > > Keith, HK
>
>Can the List owner step in and enforce the Tango-L guidelines with respect to this person:
>
>List Rules, Policies and Guidelines
>Personal attacks of individuals (also called ad hominem attacks) have proven to be the most disruptive, with many subscribers leaving the
list as a result. Hence, violators of this rule are subject to removal without notice.
>
>
> > On Sun Oct 14 7:33 , steve pastor sent:> > >Keith: > > If you seriously wish to engage in discussions with people in this> > forum, you
might want to avoid replies such as this one, which you > > posted recently.> > > > "Of course, Jeff, I'm sure the reason couldn't possibly
be your poor leading.> >Personally, I've never had a woman ... "automatically resolve into an ocho".> >If you want something different, Jeff,
lead something different. And if you> >can't - don't blame the woman. > >> >Keith, HK"> >> > > >> >> >Keith keith@tangohk.com> wrote:> > Can
we be a little bit more specific here. Steve, if the girl can walk and> >do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know
what to > >do? Especially after a couple of attempts. > >> >Keith, HK> >> >On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:> >> >> > >> "Why aren't
they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that> >> many women become visibly upset if you lead something and they don't> >> know
what t!
> o do. After a try or two, it's best to leave it alone.> >> And, you know, mostly, the women don't ask for input, or even want to > >>
discuss things after they've had lessons or found an adequate number> >> of partners they feel comfortable with. If something doesn't work,
it is> >> surely the fact that the man didn't lead it well. Right?> >> But then, maybe that is because we don't have men who have been doing>
>> this for decades. > >> If you want to learn, you take lessons from a "teacher". Right?> >> > >> >>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:28:13 -0700
From: <dchester@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Keith,
Since you appear to be saying you are OK with blunt and critical comments, I'll direct some your way. A lot of people on this forum have learned how to disagree without being disagreeable. However, you don't appear to be one of those people. Also, you appear to be rather confused about the difference between words like "blunt and critical" vs "rude and condescending".
Whether you like it or not, it's not so much what you are saying, but HOW you are saying it that is offensive to some people. Now while I actually agree with a lot of your posts, (including that some people are too thin skinned), it doesn't change the fact that some of your posts are rude and condescending.
To use a Tango analogy, they are saying that I know what you are trying to lead, but I don't like you leading with your hands.
David
>From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Ocho queens-bad leads-good leads
>To: tango-l@mit.edu
>Hahahahahahahaha, Felix, Steve, Anton, Jay - you guys are even more uptight than
>I could ever have imagined.
>You obviously don't like blunt talk and critical comments. Just what kind of
>sheltered world do you guys
>live in? You also don't like dialogue where someone actually questions your
>statements - and if you reread
>my posts, I was just asking for some clarifiaction of statements made by Steve
>and Jeff.
>Felix - you're a funny guy, hahahahahahahahahahaha. Lucky I didn't see your post
>before I went away for a
>short holiday. Otherwise, I've spent all my time fretting about whether the list
>owner was going to remove
>me, hahahahahahahahaha.
>I'd like to apologise, but I really don't know what for. Except - I'm sorry
>you're so thin-skinned. You guys
>really need to chill.
>Keith, HK
