2843 Orq. Tipica Victor
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:41:12 EDT
From: Crrtango@AOL.COM
Subject: Orq. Tipica Victor
Konstantin wrote:
<<Something I discovered after listening in my car to the arranged sequence
was
that I suddenly realized that Orquesta Tipica Victor uses a tuba for the base
line, not a contrabajo (!) You can hear the tuba particularly clearly in a few
places. I don't remember finding anything about OTV using tuba or why the
choice was made, or even if it is only on these couple of recordings but not
on the other OTV recordings. I will be interested to hear if anyone knows
anything about this. Well, I suppose it is a trivial manner in a way and
nothing to get excited about, but I did get excited when it occured to me that
it is a tuba. I like their interpretations very much.>>
I have four CDs of Orquesta Tipica Victor and none have a tuba on them
although it is possible that they recorded with one, maybe on their first
recordings. They were strictly a studio orquesta and made recordings only and never
played at milongas but many famous musicians played with them including Troilo,
Scorticotti and others. They are an excellent orchestra. It is possible that an
engineer tampered with the particular songs you heard and over-dubbed the
tuba. The tuba appeared in very early tango trios but was replaced by the bass.
Unscrupulous engineers will often add instruments trying to "improve" or
modernize the sound (or maybe give it a historical sound) but usually it sounds
terrible and out of place. (I have some Tanturi recordings with an electric bass!)
It might be interesting to try to figure out if the tuba has been added after
the fact in this case. What are the names of the songs?
Cheers,
Charles
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:49:28 -0700
From: Kos.Zahariev@EC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: Orq. Tipica Victor + music for practica
>Konstantin wrote:
>
><<Something I discovered after listening in my car to the arranged sequence was
>that I suddenly realized that Orquesta Tipica Victor uses a tuba for the base
>line, not a contrabajo (!) You can hear the tuba particularly clearly in a few
>places. I don't remember finding anything about OTV using tuba or why the
>choice was made, or even if it is only on these couple of recordings but not
>on the other OTV recordings. I will be interested to hear if anyone knows
>anything about this. Well, I suppose it is a trivial manner in a way and
>nothing to get excited about, but I did get excited when it occured to me that
>it is a tuba. I like their interpretations very much.>>
Charles replied:
>I have four CDs of Orquesta Tipica Victor and none have a tuba on them
>although it is possible that they recorded with one, maybe on their first
>recordings. They were strictly a studio orquesta and made recordings only and never
>played at milongas but many famous musicians played with them including Troilo,
>Scorticotti and others. They are an excellent orchestra. It is possible that an
>engineer tampered with the particular songs you heard and over-dubbed the
>tuba. The tuba appeared in very early tango trios but was replaced by the bass.
>Unscrupulous engineers will often add instruments trying to "improve" or
>modernize the sound (or maybe give it a historical sound) but usually it sounds
>terrible and out of place. (I have some Tanturi recordings with an electric bass!)
>It might be interesting to try to figure out if the tuba has been added after
>the fact in this case. What are the names of the songs?
The first one I heard it on was "Adios Muchachos", from 1927, from the RCA
Victor 100 Anos CD of OTV.
You can hear it here and there throughout the piece, but especially listen to
the bit between 1:05-1:30, and most revealing between 1:08:1:12. Now is this a
tuba, or what? Sounds like a tuba to me.
Second, in "La Muchacha Del Circo", from 1928, from the same CD. Again you can
hear it in a lot of places briefly, but more revealing is the part between
1:05-1:20.
Maybe also in "Nino bien" from 1928 (same CD), listen to the first 8 seconds,
particularly at around 0:03 for a clear example.
Well?
What do you listeros hear?
Tu-ba' or not tu-ba' :-)
By the way, here is the list I composed for a beginner's practica using very
rhythmic and uniform slow tangos with a strong beat (two of which are
mentioned above in the tuba examples):
Length Year BPM Orchestra Track Singer
=====================================================================================
01. 3:03 1927 58 Fresedo Saturnia
02. 2:53 1930 58 Lomuto Sin Clemencia
03. 2:36 1934 58 Canaro Tormento Galan, Carlos
04. 2:51 1929 59 Canaro Nueve De Julio
05. 2:53 1934 58 Canaro De Puerta En Puerta Galan, Carlos
06. 3:14 1927 59 OTV Adios Muchachos
07. 3:01 1927 60 Canaro La Ultima Copa unknown
08. 2:46 1928 59 OTV La Muchacha Del Circo
09. 2:34 1936 60 Canaro Milonguita unknown
10. 2:45 1935 60 Canaro Hotel Victoria
11. 3:14 1927 60 OTV Fumando Espero
----
31:50 TOTAL Time
Best regards,
Konstantin
