3753 Paper Article II
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:51:40 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Paper Article II
Paper "The debate has even come home to Argentina. Tango was repressed there
between
1955 and 1983 under regimes that broke up milongas and jailed dancers.
Argentine
tango went underground. Although it came roaring back to life when several
Broadway shows in the 1980s and early '90s, including "Tango Argentino" and
"Forever Tango," sparked interest abroad, the music didn't catch up with the
times."
I am so tired of reading absurdities! absurdities that are repeated again
and again. Nobody persecuted tango at any time. The revolution of 1955 had
nothing to do with tango at all.
It originated a benevolent dictatorship whose main objective was to
antagonize the Peronist Party.
The revolution of the 70s. did not specifically persecute tango. It was a
cruel dictatorship supported by the USA that to survive declared that any
gathering of more than three people was illegal. Milongas or parties were
therefore illegal. It also declared during a short period that lunfardo
should be removed from tango lyrics.
As to the shows were not "Broadway shows" they were Argentine shows.
As to the music "it did not catch up with the times" how absurd can you be?
How ignorant can you be? There are two kind of music: classic music that
lasts for ever and transient music, frequently noises that only last for a
short period. Tango music is classic in the sense that has survived through
many generations now. Many tango musicians were innovators such as Agustin
Bardi, Julio De Caro, Piazzola, Raul Garello, Horacio Salgan and many
others. Tango music is so varied that there should be a form for every taste
and shape. The ones that use undanceable music are those that do not
understand tango music and frequently dance their choreography with a
background music but do not dance to the music.
Paper " It is abroad where the new dance has taken off and gone through
endless
mutations. Mr. Ladas has been teaching swing dancers to tango. "Swango,"
anyone?
Other East Coast couples are pioneering "liquid tango" and "free tango,"
among
an infinite assortment of names. By whatever name, it proves that, after
several
decades, Argentina doesn't have a lock on tango anymore."
The creators of the style "Nuevo Tango" are Argentines: Naveira, Salas,
Chicho Frumboli.
It was in Argentina where I first attended milongas of Nuevo tango dancers
dancing to traditional and non-traditional tango music.
Most of the musicians, and orchestras that create experimental tango music
are Argentine.
So I wonder what is that these people are talking about?
"Argentina does not have a lock on tango anymore" This has to be a joke!!!
I wonder what exists in Argentine Tango that came from abroad. I would like
to know a variation of tango created abroad that remotely looks like
Argentine Tango.
Argentine tango is the way it is because it reflects Argentine Culture; the
moment it is changed abroad it will reflect o foreign culture and will cease
to be Argentine Tango. It will be something else, better or worse but not
Argentine Tango.
Have a good day
Sergio from Buenos Aires
Presently in Erie- PA-USA
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:03:13 -0700
From: Daniel Lapadula <clubstyletango@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Paper Article II
Just to add a few more cents Sergio.STOP LEVELING tango.It is `tango salrn the social way to danced in close or open embrace.
If you want to dance salsa go find a nice of the many salsa music.Do not be funny dancing tango on it.If you want to dance tango,stick with the music that was made for it and respect the heritage of it.
Regards.
Daniel
Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Paper "The debate has even come home to Argentina. Tango was repressed there
between
1955 and 1983 under regimes that broke up milongas and jailed dancers.
Argentine
tango went underground. Although it came roaring back to life when several
Broadway shows in the 1980s and early '90s, including "Tango Argentino" and
"Forever Tango," sparked interest abroad, the music didn't catch up with the
times."
I am so tired of reading absurdities! absurdities that are repeated again
and again. Nobody persecuted tango at any time. The revolution of 1955 had
nothing to do with tango at all.
It originated a benevolent dictatorship whose main objective was to
antagonize the Peronist Party.
The revolution of the 70s. did not specifically persecute tango. It was a
cruel dictatorship supported by the USA that to survive declared that any
gathering of more than three people was illegal. Milongas or parties were
therefore illegal. It also declared during a short period that lunfardo
should be removed from tango lyrics.
As to the shows were not "Broadway shows" they were Argentine shows.
As to the music "it did not catch up with the times" how absurd can you be?
How ignorant can you be? There are two kind of music: classic music that
lasts for ever and transient music, frequently noises that only last for a
short period. Tango music is classic in the sense that has survived through
many generations now. Many tango musicians were innovators such as Agustin
Bardi, Julio De Caro, Piazzola, Raul Garello, Horacio Salgan and many
others. Tango music is so varied that there should be a form for every taste
and shape. The ones that use undanceable music are those that do not
understand tango music and frequently dance their choreography with a
background music but do not dance to the music.
Paper " It is abroad where the new dance has taken off and gone through
endless
mutations. Mr. Ladas has been teaching swing dancers to tango. "Swango,"
anyone?
Other East Coast couples are pioneering "liquid tango" and "free tango,"
among
an infinite assortment of names. By whatever name, it proves that, after
several
decades, Argentina doesn't have a lock on tango anymore."
The creators of the style "Nuevo Tango" are Argentines: Naveira, Salas,
Chicho Frumboli.
It was in Argentina where I first attended milongas of Nuevo tango dancers
dancing to traditional and non-traditional tango music.
Most of the musicians, and orchestras that create experimental tango music
are Argentine.
So I wonder what is that these people are talking about?
"Argentina does not have a lock on tango anymore" This has to be a joke!!!
I wonder what exists in Argentine Tango that came from abroad. I would like
to know a variation of tango created abroad that remotely looks like
Argentine Tango.
Argentine tango is the way it is because it reflects Argentine Culture; the
moment it is changed abroad it will reflect o foreign culture and will cease
to be Argentine Tango. It will be something else, better or worse but not
Argentine Tango.
Have a good day
Sergio from Buenos Aires
Presently in Erie- PA-USA
Daniel Lapadula
ClubStyleTango@yahoo.com
www.tangoestilodelcentro.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:35:08 -0600
From: Chas Gale <hotchango@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Paper Article II
I very much enjoy funny dancing tango. Specifically, milonga works very
well to salsa and merengue. I reject totally the notion that dancing
milonga to salsa (or anything else for that matter) is inherently
disrespectful of the heritage. During an interview on the radio, Tito
Puente once said to me, "It's mambo! Salsa is something you eat with
chips". He was serious but I didn't get the impression that he believed
terminality (or I suspect, the way one dances to his music) somehow
defined his heritage. El Rey was a very confident man.
Chas "can't think of any cute nick name" Gale
https://www.thetangohouse.com
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:03 PM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Paper Article II
Just to add a few more cents Sergio.STOP LEVELING tango.It is `tango
salrn the social way to danced in close or open embrace. If you want to
dance salsa go find a nice of the many salsa music.Do not be funny
dancing tango on it.If you want to dance tango,stick with the music that
was made for it and respect the heritage of it. Regards. Daniel
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:27:18 -0600
From: Dave Schmitz <dschmitz@MAGELLAN.TEQ.STORTEK.COM>
Subject: Re: Paper Article II
Chas "funny dancing tango" Gale wrote:
> I very much enjoy funny dancing tango. Specifically, milonga works very
> well to salsa and merengue.
Salsa music ???
I've tried several times to learn salsa but the music played
at the clubs (perhaps they were the wrong clubs) had such an
ambiguous beat that I couldn't dance to it.
So I gave up salsa.
Perhaps it's that rattle they use.
And no, I don't have problems with hearing rhythms in most
music such as
in Telespringar, even without the foot-tapping,
in Gyimesi csango, also uneven beats but easy to hear,
or in those Bulgarian dance tunes with odd measures, what
were they ? 11/14 or some such strange timing ?
So I'm resigned to sitting out salsa sets.
But,
merengue music is great!!!
I love merenguelonga!
Dave de Denver
