5494  Peralta vs Gustavo -- is just art not science.

Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:59:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Peralta vs Gustavo -- is just art not science.
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Here in this list as in other places (living rooms,
classrooms, pubs,
restaurants) and under the rubric of other topics
(mostly the fine arts and
sometimes politics and religion) argumentation is
subjective to one's
experiences and learning process. Unlike exact
sciences dance is art and
therefore subjective to one's interpretation.

I will comment on this a little later.

The sad thing is to use dancers and their respective
efforts to achieve
excellence as a theme in a debasing exchange. Lets
respect dancers for
achieving excellence through discipline and true
sacrifice. Similarities
between their musical interpretation and our
preferences is secondary.

Having said that:

I can see both sides. Gustavo at times seems to push
the envelope
introducing dynamic and unorthodox movements.
Beautifully executed, I
always enjoy viewing his dance. I enjoy much less
observing less skilled
dancers in a crowded milonga trying to execute similar
moves with less
success.

Wasn't Copes also an agent of change when he
catapulted Argentine tango from
the social dance floor to the performance stage?

Fabian Peralta on the other hand execute a nice and
slow dance. I also
enjoy watching his dance and btw I love Bahia Blanca
:-). Both dancers are
excellent in what they do. I am sure they can deliver
great performance in
either style.

Finally, I would like to ask the entire community of
dancers to show more
kindness and respect to the dance and each other.
This brief exchange (and
disagreement) underscores a lack of tolerance and
respect that is not
positive to those witnessing.

Best,
Amaury



-----Original Message-----

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:51:51 -0200
From: Shahrukh Merchant <shahrukh@shahrukhmerchant.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Peralta vs Gustavo -- is just art not science.
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would like to ask the entire community of
> dancers to show more
> kindness and respect to the dance and each other.
> This brief exchange (and
> disagreement) underscores a lack of tolerance and
> respect that is not
> positive to those witnessing.

Indeed, two people (not hard to figure out who) managed to get
themselves on review (i.e., all their future postings will be reviewed,
and rather strictly I might add) in the same day, for flaming.

"Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com> wrote:

> My own philosophy is that one shouldn't be criticizing
> someone publicly unless you've told them the same criticism
> to their face.

The rules actually permit reviews of public figures in Tango (those who
promote themselves commercially in Tango) as long as (a) the reviewer is
identified including the location of the community in which he or she
belongs (to prevent anonymous or fake name "reviews" (b) it's not a
competitor or someone acting on behalf of a competitor and (c) it's a
real review based on actual experience. However, I have to say that some
of the recent negative comments on some Tango personalities are so
obviously lacking in specifics and objectivity that they reflect more
negatively on the "reviewers" than on the person being (negatively)
reviewed.

And a final reminder, the rules suggest a 2-posting-per-week limit,
which actually has never been enforced (and is probably a little too
restrictive at this point). When the list was hosted on listserv until a
year or so ago, the software automatically enforced a 2-posting-a-DAY
limit, but the new list server doesn't have that feature. So I would ask
that all posters voluntarily observe at least the 2-a-day limit, which
would help maintain the quality (or at least information content) of the
posts.

Thanks,

Shahrukh

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