3773 On pesonal insults....
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:31:03 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: On pesonal insults....
Hi all,
I've been reading the list lately with some degree of disappointment. While
I can understand people's strong held opinions and beliefs (after all, tango
is a very "passionate" subject ;-)), I've watched some threads degenerate
into invective filled, ad hominem rants. I respectfully suggest that no
matter how much one might disagree with another forum contributor, calling
them "idiots" and "pigs" is hardly the best way to carry on a reasoned and
civilized discussion.
Just my $.02,
Manuel
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:07:39 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: On pesonal insults....
Manuel,
I agree... you rancid louse!
.....only kidding! >:-))))))))
Dani
> Hi all,
>
> I've been reading the list lately with some degree of disappointment.
> While
> I can understand people's strong held opinions and beliefs (after all,
> tango
> is a very "passionate" subject ;-)), I've watched some threads degenerate
> into invective filled, ad hominem rants. I respectfully suggest that no
> matter how much one might disagree with another forum contributor, calling
> them "idiots" and "pigs" is hardly the best way to carry on a reasoned and
> civilized discussion.
>
> Just my $.02,
>
> Manuel
>
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:53:59 -0700
From: Daniel Lapadula <clubstyletango@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: On pesonal insults....
Manuel,let them go.Pigs and idiots are the ones writing the insults.
Regards.
Daniel
Regards.
Daniel
> Hi all,
>
> I've been reading the list lately with some degree of disappointment.
> While
> I can understand people's strong held opinions and beliefs (after all,
> tango
> is a very "passionate" subject ;-)), I've watched some threads degenerate
> into invective filled, ad hominem rants. I respectfully suggest that no
> matter how much one might disagree with another forum contributor, calling
> them "idiots" and "pigs" is hardly the best way to carry on a reasoned and
> civilized discussion.
>
> Just my $.02,
>
> Manuel
>
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
A.MIT.EDU> .
>
Daniel Lapadula
ClubStyleTango@yahoo.com
www.tangoestilodelcentro.com
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:28:15 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: On pesonal insults....
Dear Manuel, Daniel and All:
When people have nothing intellectual to add to a
conversation, the insults and four letter words appear
to fill the void in their thought process.
Thank you for pointing out that the people on this
list who talk about being civilized all the time are
usually the very ones who are not. These same people
probably dance tango as well as they can think.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been reading the list lately with some degree
> of disappointment. While
> I can understand people's strong held opinions and
> beliefs (after all, tango
> is a very "passionate" subject ;-)), I've watched
> some threads degenerate
> into invective filled, ad hominem rants. I
> respectfully suggest that no
> matter how much one might disagree with another
> forum contributor, calling
> them "idiots" and "pigs" is hardly the best way to
> carry on a reasoned and
> civilized discussion.
>
> Just my $.02,
>
> Manuel
>
>
> Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> Tango-A rather than to
> Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> subscribe to Tango-A,
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
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>
>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:39:14 -0400
From: Richard deSousa <mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: On pesonal insults....
Derik, you're totally clueless, aren't you... you're the one who
started the insults by demeaning the Denver Tango Festival... if you
have nothing nice to say keep your loose lips zipped.
El Bandito de Tango
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:28:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
Dear Manuel, Daniel and All:
When people have nothing intellectual to add to a
conversation, the insults and four letter words appear
to fill the void in their thought process.
Thank you for pointing out that the people on this
list who talk about being civilized all the time are
usually the very ones who are not. These same people
probably dance tango as well as they can think.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been reading the list lately with some degree
> of disappointment. While
> I can understand people's strong held opinions and
> beliefs (after all, tango
> is a very "passionate" subject ;-)), I've watched
> some threads degenerate
> into invective filled, ad hominem rants. I
> respectfully suggest that no
> matter how much one might disagree with another
> forum contributor, calling
> them "idiots" and "pigs" is hardly the best way to
> carry on a reasoned and
> civilized discussion.
>
> Just my $.02,
>
> Manuel
>
>
> Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> Tango-A rather than to
> Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> subscribe to Tango-A,
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:44:00 -0700
From: Michael at Tango Bellingham <michaele@TANGOBELLINGHAM.COM>
Subject: Re: On pesonal insults....
Derik Rawson wrote:
> Dear Manuel, Daniel and All:
>
> When people have nothing intellectual to add to a
> conversation, the insults and four letter words appear
> to fill the void in their thought process.
>
Oh puh-leeze! As opposed to verbal backrow bomb-throwing and snarky
comments intended to start flamewars? You're a classic internet troll,
Derik. This is just more of the same.
Hugs and kisses,
Michael
Tango Bellingham
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:12:28 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
Dear Richard:
Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person
insult...hello???
PS- I am hoping that the quality of so called
Argentina tango in Denver will improve. What is wrong
with that?
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- Richard deSousa <mallpasso@AOL.COM> wrote:
> Derik, you're totally clueless, aren't you... you're
> the one who
> started the insults by demeaning the Denver Tango
> Festival... if you
> have nothing nice to say keep your loose lips
> zipped.
>
> El Bandito de Tango
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:28:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
>
> Dear Manuel, Daniel and All:
>
> When people have nothing intellectual to add to a
> conversation, the insults and four letter words
> appear
> to fill the void in their thought process.
>
> Thank you for pointing out that the people on this
> list who talk about being civilized all the time are
> usually the very ones who are not. These same people
> probably dance tango as well as they can think.
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
>
> --- WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've been reading the list lately with some degree
> > of disappointment. While
> > I can understand people's strong held opinions and
> > beliefs (after all, tango
> > is a very "passionate" subject ;-)), I've watched
> > some threads degenerate
> > into invective filled, ad hominem rants. I
> > respectfully suggest that no
> > matter how much one might disagree with another
> > forum contributor, calling
> > them "idiots" and "pigs" is hardly the best way to
> > carry on a reasoned and
> > civilized discussion.
> >
> > Just my $.02,
> >
> > Manuel
> >
> >
>
> > Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> > Tango-A rather than to
> > Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> > subscribe to Tango-A,
> > send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> > LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
> >
>
> >
> >
>
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>
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:23:27 -0400
From: Richard deSousa <mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
Uh huh... next you're going to tell us your post last month on the Mt.
Vernon event wasn't demeaning either... LOL
-----Original Message-----
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:12:05 +0200
From: Áron ECSEDY <aron@MILONGA.HU>
Subject: Re: Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
Actually, Derik has a point there.
Also: why retribute any insult with another one? That is definitely not
conversation.
I cannot emphasize more: why not stop playing social games at the levels of
10-year olds (who started what, who is the troll etc.) and start discussing
some tango instead?
Maybe Derik has a view on some forms of tango and some approaches that is
insulting to others. I mean: I do have my own reservations concerning his
letters, however there is no need to start attacking him for it. Argue with
him ON the subject, that is fine.
It is no suprise that for several months the membership of the list is
stagnating: 10-20% of the posts are not about tango - they are personal
remarks to each other and other mails discussing what kind of behaviour
would they expect from the others. No-one wants censorship (moderation) of
any kind...or at least people say so, while everyone tries to promote his
own sense of ethics (which shows that they want rules - rules built by
THEM). The list is supposed to be self-moderated. Apparently, it does not
really work, no matter what a few loud (and well established) voices say.
If you have seen the series Ally McBeal, I must recommend the brilliant
concepts used by the character Richard Fish... Especially the one: "bygones"
[if something happens that would need a complex discussion (but has no real
impact on anything), apology, or he gets into an awkward situation etc., he
just says "bygones" and fast forwards to the next thing]
Cheers,
Aron
Ecsedy Áron
***********
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Tel: +36 (20) 329 66 99
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https://www.holgyvalasz.hu/
* * * * *
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"Follow those who seek the truth.
Run from those who claim to have found it."
"There is more than one way to cook an omlette."
> Uh huh... next you're going to tell us your post last month on the Mt.
> Vernon event wasn't demeaning either... LOL
> Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello???
>
> PS- I am hoping that the quality of so called Argentina
> tango in Denver will improve. What is wrong with that?
> > Derik, you're totally clueless, aren't you... you're the one who
> > started the insults by demeaning the Denver Tango
> Festival... if you
> > have nothing nice to say keep your loose lips zipped.
> > When people have nothing intellectual to add to a conversation, the
> > insults and four letter words appear to fill the void in
> their thought
> > process.
> >
> > Thank you for pointing out that the people on this list who
> talk about
> > being civilized all the time are usually the very ones who are not.
> > These same people probably dance tango as well as they can think.
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:15:16 -0600
From: Chas Gale <hotchango@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
Greetings to all the Sane Members of Tango-L From The Tango House,
This is Chas your irreverent reporter writing from The Tango House
located in The Mile-High City of Denver, Colorado. Here at The Tango
House we could not help but notice Derik demeaning the Denver Tango
Festical ("Festical" is a very happy testicle. In a sentence you could
say: "My festicals are grinning thigh to thigh at the prospect of
another night of spectacular tango at that wonderful tango venue, The
Tango House." Happy Argentines testicle are "Fiesticals".), but Derik
was not at the festical so I'm not sure how he feels qualified to judge.
He also called into question the quality and the very validity of tango
in Denver but I'm reasonably sure he has never tangoed in Denver so
again, he is not qualified to judge.
On 8/26 Derik compared The Tango House to a McDonald's hamburger. But
alas, Derik has never been to The Tango House so yet again, he is not
qualified to judge The Tango House.
Just thought you'd like to know.
With best wishes from The Tango House,
Chas "Could not possibly care less, just wanted to do the festical bit"
Gale
https://www.thetangohouse.com
Greetings Derik,
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to write "The Tango House" on
tango-l 9, no 10 times! Keep up the good work.
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:17:33 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
Dear Richard,
As I was saying, demeaning an event is not a personal
insult....hello ???
At least I did not purposely set up an event to
compete with Denver and then try to put Denver out of
business, by drawing people away. This is exactly
what happened with the Mt. Vernon event vs. the long
established New Orleans event. Give me a break.
We need intellectual content here, not a bunch of
competitive evil minded brainless nonsense. Thank
you.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- mallpasso@aol.com wrote:
>
> Uh huh... next you're going to tell us your post
> last month on the Mt.
> Vernon event wasn't demeaning either... LOL
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:12:28 -0700
> Subject: [TANGO-L] Demeaning the Denver Tango
> Festical is not a person
> insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal
> insults....
>
> Dear Richard:
>
> Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person
> insult...hello???
>
> PS- I am hoping that the quality of so called
> Argentina tango in Denver will improve. What is
> wrong
> with that?
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
> --- Richard deSousa <mallpasso@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> > Derik, you're totally clueless, aren't you...
> you're
> > the one who
> > started the insults by demeaning the Denver Tango
> > Festival... if you
> > have nothing nice to say keep your loose lips
> > zipped.
> >
> > El Bandito de Tango
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
> > To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> > Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:28:15 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
> >
> > Dear Manuel, Daniel and All:
> >
> > When people have nothing intellectual to add to a
> > conversation, the insults and four letter words
> > appear
> > to fill the void in their thought process.
> >
> > Thank you for pointing out that the people on this
> > list who talk about being civilized all the time
> are
> > usually the very ones who are not. These same
> people
> > probably dance tango as well as they can think.
> >
> > Derik
> > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> >
> >
> > --- WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've been reading the list lately with some
> degree
> > > of disappointment. While
> > > I can understand people's strong held opinions
> and
> > > beliefs (after all, tango
> > > is a very "passionate" subject ;-)), I've
> watched
> > > some threads degenerate
> > > into invective filled, ad hominem rants. I
> > > respectfully suggest that no
> > > matter how much one might disagree with another
> > > forum contributor, calling
> > > them "idiots" and "pigs" is hardly the best way
> to
> > > carry on a reasoned and
> > > civilized discussion.
> > >
> > > Just my $.02,
> > >
> > > Manuel
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> > > Tango-A rather than to
> > > Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> > > subscribe to Tango-A,
> > > send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> > > LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > protection around
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:32:32 -0700
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
--- Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> We need intellectual content here, not a bunch of
> competitive evil minded brainless nonsense. Thank
> you.
And yet you continue to write.
Nancy
You're quite welcome
<<Rito es la danza en tu vida
y el tango que tu amas
te quema en su llama>>
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por: Horacio Sanguinetti
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:02:03 -0700
From: Michael at Tango Bellingham <michaele@TANGOBELLINGHAM.COM>
Subject: Re: Demeaning the Denver Tango Festical is not a person insult...hello??? Re: [TANGO-L] On pesonal insults....
Ok, here goes...
Áron ECSEDY wrote:
> Actually, Derik has a point there.
>
Where? I don't see no stinkin' point....
> Also: why retribute any insult with another one? That is definitely not
> conversation.
>
> I cannot emphasize more: why not stop playing social games at the levels of
> 10-year olds (who started what, who is the troll etc.) and start discussing
> some tango instead?
So it's ok for Derik to do it, but when somebody bops him on the nose
with a rolled-up newspaper for it, it's not ok. Nice double standard there.
>
> Maybe Derik has a view on some forms of tango and some approaches that is
> insulting to others. I mean: I do have my own reservations concerning his
> letters, however there is no need to start attacking him for it. Argue with
> him ON the subject, that is fine.
If you'll notice, Derik never argues logically with people - he's the
classic internet troll. He makes some outrageous or patronizing
statement, and then sits back and watches the rest of the list fight
about it. And then gets his little nose bent out of shape when people
point out he's not house-broken ...uh, pardon me, "insufficiently
socialized."
>
> It is no suprise that for several months the membership of the list is
> stagnating: 10-20% of the posts are not about tango - they are personal
> remarks to each other and other mails discussing what kind of behaviour
> would they expect from the others. No-one wants censorship (moderation) of
> any kind...or at least people say so, while everyone tries to promote his
> own sense of ethics (which shows that they want rules - rules built by
> THEM). The list is supposed to be self-moderated. Apparently, it does not
> really work, no matter what a few loud (and well established) voices say.
On the other hand, a moderation system similiar to that used on some
other popular forums might raise the signal to noise ratio and give a
sutble slap on the wrist to folks like Derik, who maybe after seeing
99% of their posts moderated -1 Flamebait might just get a clue.
>
> If you have seen the series Ally McBeal, I must recommend the brilliant
> concepts used by the character Richard Fish... Especially the one: "bygones"
> [if something happens that would need a complex discussion (but has no real
> impact on anything), apology, or he gets into an awkward situation etc., he
> just says "bygones" and fast forwards to the next thing]
>
Uh, no. The character of Richard Fish on Ally McBeal is a card-carrying
lout. He says "bygones" when he makes some egregious faux-pas or comment
and the rest of the characters are getting ready to hand him his head.
Richard Fish is *not* someone to emulate.
Michael
