5739 Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: RonTango <rontango@rocketmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
To: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>, "Trini y Sean \(PATangoS\)"
<patangos@yahoo.com>
Cc: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
----- Original Message ----
> From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Fw: Astor Piazzolla & 50 Essential Tangos for $1.99 starting tonight
>
> Well, I bought it and for me, I DON'T see it as essential for
> traditional dancers. The early stuff with Gardel is scratchy. The
> Piazolla is from a live album. A lot of the other stuff has more of a
> piano bar/jazz feeling to me. There is NOTHING in the collection that I
> have ever heard at a traditional milonga here in Florida. (Whenever I
> have heard a Piazolla tanda at a traditional milonga here in Florida, it
> was a studio cut - NOT a live cut.) Nuevo fans might find a few cuts they like.
> El Stevito de Gainesville
Piazzolla is not played at traditional milongas - only tango music from the tango dance orchestras of the 30s, 40s, and 50s, with an occasional tanda of a modern orchestra (after 1960) playing in that style. This is what is played in the overwhelming majority of milongas in Buenos Aires. It is the music, in part, that defines a milonga as 'traditional', although using that label for a milonga is as redundant as using 'Argentine tango' to describe the tango danced in Buenos Aires milongas. The deviations from the cultural tradition are what need the modifiers - 'alternative milongas' and 'nuevo (tango)'.
Ron
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:23:51 -0400
From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
Heh...yeah, I know what you are saying. But here in Florida
(Tallahassee, Tampa, Sarasota, Gainesville - except for Tango y Te')
they usually slip in some ALT or Nuevo - maybe 5%.
El Stevito de Gainesville
RonTango wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----
>
>
>> From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Fw: Astor Piazzolla & 50 Essential Tangos for $1.99 starting tonight
>>
>> Well, I bought it and for me, I DON'T see it as essential for
>> traditional dancers. The early stuff with Gardel is scratchy. The
>> Piazolla is from a live album. A lot of the other stuff has more of a
>> piano bar/jazz feeling to me. There is NOTHING in the collection that I
>> have ever heard at a traditional milonga here in Florida. (Whenever I
>> have heard a Piazolla tanda at a traditional milonga here in Florida, it
>> was a studio cut - NOT a live cut.) Nuevo fans might find a few cuts they like.
>> El Stevito de Gainesville
>>
>
> Piazzolla is not played at traditional milongas - only tango music from the tango dance orchestras of the 30s, 40s, and 50s, with an occasional tanda of a modern orchestra (after 1960) playing in that style. This is what is played in the overwhelming majority of milongas in Buenos Aires. It is the music, in part, that defines a milonga as 'traditional', although using that label for a milonga is as redundant as using 'Argentine tango' to describe the tango danced in Buenos Aires milongas. The deviations from the cultural tradition are what need the modifiers - 'alternative milongas' and 'nuevo (tango)'.
>
> Ron
> ..
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:39:16 -0400
From: Barbra <buffmilonguera@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
To: tango-L@mit.edu
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
I bought the album, and I agree, not necessarily the 50 songs that I
would find essential, but interesting and more than a few new ones for
me. I also haven't heard, so far, anything I would really dance to,
but there are some very nice listening songs.
I don't know if anyone has experienced this - but I have changed a lot
in how I think about tango music. When I began, anything and
everything was fair game, I danced to anything "tango" and a lot that
wasn't. Then, every song was measured against a "danceability
standard." Now, I find that I have two kinds of music, dancing and
listening.....has this been the case for other folks?
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 4:51 pm
Subject: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
----- Original Message ----
> From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Fw: Astor Piazzolla & 50 Essential Tangos for
$1.99
starting tonight
>
> Well, I bought it and for me, I DON'T see it as essential for
> traditional dancers. The early stuff with Gardel is scratchy. The
> Piazolla is from a live album. A lot of the other stuff has more of a
> piano bar/jazz feeling to me. There is NOTHING in the collection that
I
> have ever heard at a traditional milonga here in Florida. (Whenever I
> have heard a Piazolla tanda at a traditional milonga here in Florida,
it
> was a studio cut - NOT a live cut.) Nuevo fans might find a few cuts
they
like.
> El Stevito de Gainesville
Piazzolla is not played at traditional milongas - only tango music from
the
tango dance orchestras of the 30s, 40s, and 50s, with an occasional
tanda of a
modern orchestra (after 1960) playing in that style. This is what is
played in
the overwhelming majority of milongas in Buenos Aires. It is the music,
in part,
that defines a milonga as 'traditional', although using that label for
a milonga
is as redundant as using 'Argentine tango' to describe the tango danced
in
Buenos Aires milongas. The deviations from the cultural tradition are
what need
the modifiers - 'alternative milongas' and 'nuevo (tango)'.
Ron
..
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:07:30 -0500
From: Huck Kennedy <tempehuck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<ecf43f370908212207t6c6f3043jcdba290bbc7b5395@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Barbra <buffmilonguera@aol.com> wrote:
> Now, I find that I have two kinds of music, dancing and
> listening.....has this been the case for other folks?
>
>
Yes, and a typical tango show reflects this distinction. Sometimes the
orchestra plays by itself, sometimes a singer comes on stage and sings a
tango, and only maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the time are there dancers on the stage.
Huck
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:24:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I didn't really start developing an ear for dance music until I studied with Susana Miller and Robert Hauk. What I really appreciate about Susana is her directness and clarity. Very Argentine.
Even though the album, as I said, was not dance music, I still think that it's important to know Piazzolla and Gardel to more fully appreciate the Argentine culture, the change in instruments, the evolution of tango music. It gives you something with which to further contrast and compare. Sometimes I like to use Piazzolla for some warm-up exercises.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Huck Kennedy <tempehuck@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Huck Kennedy <tempehuck@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 1:07 AM
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM,
> Barbra <buffmilonguera@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >???Now, I find that I have two kinds of
> music, dancing and
> > listening.....has this been the case for other folks?
> >
> >
> ? ???Yes, and a typical tango show
> reflects this distinction.? Sometimes the
> orchestra plays by itself, sometimes a singer comes on
> stage and sings a
> tango, and only maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the time are there
> dancers on the stage.
>
> Huck
>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:14:11 -0400
From: macfroggy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas
To: tango-l@mit.edu
After the CroMagnon tragedy in 2004, one of the few milongas that was
allowed to stay open was Club Espanol. Dany Borelli, the DJ, used
Piazzolla as the cortina because all other music was banned. Or rather,
for fear of being closed as were most of the milongas, only "musica
nacional" was played. At this time, there were no tandas of tropical or
rock 'n roll, because salsa clubs, rock clubs, all other dance venues
were closed for months. People flocked to provincia where they could
still dance tango. Starving and frantic dancers came to Club Espanol
and waited in the lobby to be allowed to enter. The energy was
palpable. It was a frenzy.
<<Even though the album, as I said, was not dance music, I still think
that it's
important to know Piazzolla and Gardel to more fully appreciate the
Argentine
culture, the change in instruments, the evolution of tango music. It
gives you
something with which to further contrast and compare. Sometimes I like
to use
Piazzolla for some warm-up exercises.
Trini de Pittsburgh>>
