5112 Practice can be a waste too.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:50:24 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
To: "'Bruno Afonso'" <bafonso@gmail.com>, "'Nina Pesochinsky'"
<nina@earthnet.net>
Cc: 'Igor Polk' <ipolk@virtuar.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Bruno:
"You are basically saying you have to practice/dance a lot and make a huge
effort to understand tango's simplicity."
...
"Tango is not easy at any level. But this is exactly what drives
passionate persons to it, to be able to learn a bit every time you
dance and immensely enjoy it as you master it more and more."
Yeah, practicing...
No, dear !
Don't you think that more practicing to obtain simplicity can be waste too?
When you get advanced haven't you regret about stupid things you so
mindlessly dedicated your time, money and energy for?
Here is an example of upcoming events in San Francisco Area:
( Just received today )
9pm: Lesson - The Dynamic Close Embrace Turn 10pm until ?: milonga
...
3:00pm: The Leader's Ocho
4:30pm: The Follower's Sacada
...
2:30pm: The Overturned Experience
4:00pm: A Colgada Odyssey
...
Another teacher is teaching:
fundamental improve skills "change of direction" turns, "alterations"
& the fluid changes of the embrace. Prereq: 1+ Arg Tango or competence in
basic molinete turns.
..
Learn lead & follow techniques for dynamic Tango Nuevo moves that include
"overturned" ochos, back sacadas for followers & "off axis" turns. Prereq:
at least 2 months of level 2 Arg Tango or the previous workshop.
* * *
Yeah, go ahead, one-year students !
Practice!
I am going dancing. Argentine Tango !
Igor Polk.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:11:15 -0400
From: "Bruno Afonso" <bafonso@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu, Nina Pesochinsky <nina@earthnet.net>
<4f5d14730707311411u1f5486a5x979e222d94c30417@mail.gmail.com>
On 7/31/07, Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> Don't you think that more practicing to obtain simplicity can be waste too?
> When you get advanced haven't you regret about stupid things you so
> mindlessly dedicated your time, money and energy for?
You need to re-read what I wrote until you understand why what you are
asking me on your first sentence doesn't make sense.
Your last comment is a typical catch-22. You need to become
experienced to understand what you did wrong/overload. The thing is:
you actually had to do it to get where you are. Teachers/mentors can
help you with this, but not entirely avoid it. Or you could learn
tango by reading a book. And you can't, right?
I don't preach practice until you pass out or anything like that...
each person practices how much she wants and feels like. Some people
may even take an enormous joy in practicing that much... but I do
believe that you will never become a good dancer without
practice/dancing.
b
>
> Here is an example of upcoming events in San Francisco Area:
> ( Just received today )
>
> 9pm: Lesson - The Dynamic Close Embrace Turn 10pm until ?: milonga
> ...
> 3:00pm: The Leader's Ocho
> 4:30pm: The Follower's Sacada
> ...
> 2:30pm: The Overturned Experience
> 4:00pm: A Colgada Odyssey
> ...
> Another teacher is teaching:
>
> fundamental improve skills "change of direction" turns, "alterations"
> & the fluid changes of the embrace. Prereq: 1+ Arg Tango or competence in
> basic molinete turns.
> ..
> Learn lead & follow techniques for dynamic Tango Nuevo moves that include
> "overturned" ochos, back sacadas for followers & "off axis" turns. Prereq:
> at least 2 months of level 2 Arg Tango or the previous workshop.
>
> * * *
> Yeah, go ahead, one-year students !
> Practice!
>
> I am going dancing. Argentine Tango !
>
> Igor Polk.
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Bruno Afonso
https://brunoafonso.com (personal, mostly portuguese)
https://openwetware.org/wiki/User:BrunoAfonso (Professional, english)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:06:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Iron Logic <railogic@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Dancing can be a waste too :).
The fun is in finding. Practicing irrespective of whether it directly helps your dancing or not....is a good thing. You try something...it doesnt work, still you learn!.
We cannot assume that beginners are incapable of thinking. Let them listen to different teachers/ other dancers with an open mind....work at those ideas.....they will have the answers...they cannot be forever dependent on the advice of others.
If you want to improve tango: you practice, practice and practice.... Alone AND with a Partner.
Ofcourse you can just dance with someone [without any solitary practice]....results depend on the tolerance levels of the other.
Just watch people who learnt by "just dancing", and you will see the results for yourself.
Regarding someone's comment that when you practice alone, there is no "tango context": ...So what?
You can always find the context by dancing, you aquire some of the *partner independent* skills you may be lacking.
Whole life we have been taught the virtues of practicing, suddenly we have some revolutionary ideas:). I can certainly see the value of shocking someone into awakening.
So I guess Igor's posting directed against those have the techique, but cannot dance, cannot connect with the partner. That is a different problem, may be there is a remedy....not practicing is not one of them..:)
It is also true that sometimes you have someone practicing and his/her dancing has gotten worse. Remedy i think forget what you practiced and just dance. If your practiced right, the techique you learnt will kick in naturally.
Please dont ask begginers to stop practicing...as it is dancing level is not getting is not getting any better; also there is a danger that this will increase average level of lazyness ....just when I want to practice something:)). .
IL
Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
Bruno:
"You are basically saying you have to practice/dance a lot and make a huge
effort to understand tango's simplicity."
...
"Tango is not easy at any level. But this is exactly what drives
passionate persons to it, to be able to learn a bit every time you
dance and immensely enjoy it as you master it more and more."
Yeah, practicing...
No, dear !
Don't you think that more practicing to obtain simplicity can be waste too?
When you get advanced haven't you regret about stupid things you so
mindlessly dedicated your time, money and energy for?
Here is an example of upcoming events in San Francisco Area:
( Just received today )
9pm: Lesson - The Dynamic Close Embrace Turn 10pm until ?: milonga
...
3:00pm: The Leader's Ocho
4:30pm: The Follower's Sacada
...
2:30pm: The Overturned Experience
4:00pm: A Colgada Odyssey
...
Another teacher is teaching:
fundamental improve skills "change of direction" turns, "alterations"
& the fluid changes of the embrace. Prereq: 1+ Arg Tango or competence in
basic molinete turns.
..
Learn lead & follow techniques for dynamic Tango Nuevo moves that include
"overturned" ochos, back sacadas for followers & "off axis" turns. Prereq:
at least 2 months of level 2 Arg Tango or the previous workshop.
* * *
Yeah, go ahead, one-year students !
Practice!
I am going dancing. Argentine Tango !
Igor Polk.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:47:02 -0400
From: "WHITE 95 R" <white95r@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
To: tango-l@mit.edu
It's encouraging to read that a number of people do believe that practicing
tango dancing is actually a good way to improve one's dancing. I have not
been able to fathom the logic behind the idea that formal tango dance
instruction is a bad thing and that people will learn better if they only go
out there and dance..... I've yet to see a single guy just "go dancing" and
learn to dance tango (or any other partner dance). Of course, this depends
on your definition of learning a dance versus my understanding of being able
to dance a particular partner dance......
I would like to suggest that we start using words in their proper contex and
with their precise definition or meaning. Otherwise it's very difficult to
communicate, let alone discuss ideas and thoughts. I'd respectufully suggest
that we agree on the meaning of words such as mastery, excellence, skilled,
good, average, adequate, passable, mediocre and just plain bad. I'd also
suggest that autodidacts are quite rare, particularly when it comes to
dance.
Another oximoronic concept is the one that suggests that there are dancers
out there with "all the technique" (I presume they've mastered the
technique) and yet they can't dance tango...... This argument falls flat on
it's face. Based on my observation, the only dancers who excell in technique
are also the most skilled and talented ones. Too often I read bombastic
fulminations against people who are apparently quite technically skilled,
yet cannot dance.... This does not agree with reality any more than new
dancers who've mastered skills of tango dance in six weeks. Perhaps those
are the same people? Maybe with a few exceptions they are also self-taught?
Everyone of the great dancers I know are highly technically skilled, they
usually practice a lot and they've all taken lessons from other teachers.
Amazingly enough, not one of them has ever said to me that they've mastered
any single step or skill. Without exception, they all say that they are
always striving to "master" some part or facet of the tango dance. I can
appreciate diversity and I totally understand that we all have very
different experiences and even perceptions of the same experience. However,
we must have a common language and some basic definitions so we can discuss
our various points of view. Otherwise we might just as well speak different
languages. If your idea of "mastery" is my idea of "ineptitude" and your
definition of "high level of technique" is my idea of an "barely able to
maintain balance while twisted like a pretzel", we are talking over each
other. Reminds me of the stereotype of the ugly American trying to make
himself understood in another country by shouting his words louder in
English....
Respectfully,
Manuel
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
Hi Manuel
Nice post and your suggestion of using words more precisely
stands on its own merits. I had a few thoughts on some
topics you touched on.
> I've yet to see a single guy just "go dancing" and learn
> to dance tango (or any other partner dance). Of course, >
this depends on your definition of learning a dance >versus
my understanding of being able to dance a >particular
partner dance......
I think you?re right about this regarding the current
generation of tango dancers. Even in earlier generations,
there was some instruction or practica going on, though I
get the sense that it was more playful than what we do now.
I?d like to think that perhaps one day the tango scene
will regain its former strength and parents will be
teaching their kids, and a young man or woman can "just go
dancing" and not have to do all of the work many of us are
doing today. Some work, surely, but hopefully they will
have an easier time.
A few years ago I asked Maria Cieri (widow of Rudolfo
Cieri) about how they learned. They both started at around
6-7 with their parents. After they wed (in their early
teens), they only danced with each other or with friends.
Our Spanish/French and her English wasn?t good enough to
get the whole details, but she talked about dancing to
Pugliese every Friday night for 5 years. Then they stopped
dancing because of the junta, during which she said people
didn?t feel like dancing, except at weddings. Twenty years
later, tango revives and they end up doing a performance
for the queen of England. Someone else may know more of
their history than I do, but what struck me was "5 years".
That?s it?! 5 years! And they danced beautifully. I think
we're at least a generation from that.
What I have noticed is a greater interest by young men in
learning to dance compared to the men of my generation who
grew up with John Wayne and war movies on afterschool
television. Perhaps it is all of the videos shown today
with male singers who also dance. I think that bodes well
for all social dances.
> Another oximoronic concept is the one that suggests that
> there are dancers out there with "all the technique" (I
presume they've mastered the technique) and yet they can't
dance tango...... >
Respectfully,
>
> Manuel
>
I interpret those discussions to be about dancers who are
good technically but don?t convey the feeling of tango, the
warmth, the connection. Or perhaps they do not interpret
the music successfully. I?m not sure one could place these
attributes under ?technique?.
Happy tangos,
Trini de Pittsburgh
P.S. Sorry I missed G&G in Atlanta. I hope you have them
back again.
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that gives answers, not web links.
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:35:40 -0400
From: "WHITE 95 R" <white95r@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
Hi Trini,
I appreciate your feedback. I too had some nice conversations, albeit short,
with Rodolfo & Maria Cieri before Rodolfo's death. BTW, I really admired
their dancing. Rodolfo was a really fine dancer with impeccable technique
and wonderful sense of musicality. As you probably know, I'm a native
Spanish speaker so I have had many wonderful chats with many great Argentine
tango dancers. Actually, since I'm not so far removed from some of their
generations, I actually have memories of the tango music when it was played
in the radio and also I remember my parents and other grown-ups dancing the
tango (it was like the early tango as taught by Eduardo and Gloria
Arquimbau).
Anyway, it is a running joke among teachers that they don't give credit to
their teachers. From talking with most of them you get the idea that they
were all self-taught (-; The truth is that many of them learned tango from
other dancers. Granted, they are innovators and artists in their own right
and they invented or discovered many a new move or step. The tango has been
in the process of emerging and changing since it's beginnings way back then.
Many of the best dancers of today learned from their parents who were
themselves great dancers. Many others were trained dancers of folkloric
groups or modern dance, who learned tango from excellent instructors.
I have it from several credible sources that the early tango was basically a
grapevine step (the molinete or giro) which remains to this day as the basic
code of the tango. Both partners danced the same way mirroring each other
and danced sideways. There was no line of dance. I'm sure it was easier to
learn by watching and dancing... Later the tango evolved to what it is like
today. It would be very difficult, specially for a guy to just watch modern
salon tango and learn all it's intricacies of lead and follow, plus all the
steps, LOD, musicality, etc. The truth is that a few people with special
talent can learn and even create dance steps and moves with ease. But even
they have some sort of instruction. Often it is high caliber instruction.
I began to dance regularly and often many years ago. I remember that all the
couple dances were challenging to learn and more difficult to become skilled
at them. Even the folk dances which are much easier to do present challenges
to many people. There are numbers of them who can't even contra dance or
dance old time square dances very well after doing it for years. One of the
things we did in Atlanta in the contra dances was to institute instruction
for the new comers...... Yes, even folk dances require instruction in order
to learn. I've taught swing in the past and I've found that even with lots
of instruction and patience, many people have a very hard time learning even
the most basic thing, such as the 1,2 rock step... Even merengue is super
challenging to many folks. Salsa is all but impossible to pick up by
watching. Tango is no different, it's a specialized dance with it's own set
of rules and structures. Although tango allows more "faking" of the dance
(since many people totally ignore the music), it's still a difficult dance
to get master or even to gain a modicum of proficiency.
I think I understand who these "technical experts" are. I think we are
talking about people who have managed to mimic tango movements somewhat
successfully, but have not learned to dance. There are some of them. But
personally, I think that the tango technique includes the ability to lead
and follow with skill and smoothness. Also technical expertise implies that
one can dance to the music and with grace. Otherwise, I don't think that a
person is technically proficient. There are a few dancers out there that
appear to be quite good and yet leave one thinking that there is something
missing... But I think that these are a very small minority. Hardly worth
the huge discussions generated in these forums. My goodness, from the volume
of discussions about these folks, one could think that a huge percentage of
tango dancers are out there with perfect technical skills and no feeling
whatsoever (-;
With best regards,
Manuel
P.S.
It would have been great if you could have joined us for the G&G event. We
had a wonderful time. The workshops and the milongas were exceptionally
good. The level of dancing was just awesome. We even had genuine Argentine
food at the milongas (5 milongas in 4 days). We had authentic media lunas,
facturas, dulce de leche, jamon y queso, etc. At the farewell milonga we
even had a genuine asado with the authentic style cuts of beef, high quality
Uruguayan chorizo, salads, freshly baked bread, milhojas cake, wine, etc.
The participants were just great. Could not ask for a better bunch of tango
dancers and all around great people. I'll contact you when another event
like this takes place.
visit our webpage
www.tango-rio.com
>From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
>Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hi Manuel
>
>Nice post and your suggestion of using words more precisely
>stands on its own merits. I had a few thoughts on some
>topics you touched on.
>
> > I've yet to see a single guy just "go dancing" and learn
> > to dance tango (or any other partner dance). Of course, >
>this depends on your definition of learning a dance >versus
>my understanding of being able to dance a >particular
>partner dance......
>
>I think youre right about this regarding the current
>generation of tango dancers. Even in earlier generations,
>there was some instruction or practica going on, though I
>get the sense that it was more playful than what we do now.
> Id like to think that perhaps one day the tango scene
>will regain its former strength and parents will be
>teaching their kids, and a young man or woman can "just go
>dancing" and not have to do all of the work many of us are
>doing today. Some work, surely, but hopefully they will
>have an easier time.
>
>A few years ago I asked Maria Cieri (widow of Rudolfo
>Cieri) about how they learned. They both started at around
>6-7 with their parents. After they wed (in their early
>teens), they only danced with each other or with friends.
>Our Spanish/French and her English wasnt good enough to
>get the whole details, but she talked about dancing to
>Pugliese every Friday night for 5 years. Then they stopped
>dancing because of the junta, during which she said people
>didnt feel like dancing, except at weddings. Twenty years
>later, tango revives and they end up doing a performance
>for the queen of England. Someone else may know more of
>their history than I do, but what struck me was "5 years".
>Thats it?! 5 years! And they danced beautifully. I think
>we're at least a generation from that.
>
>What I have noticed is a greater interest by young men in
>learning to dance compared to the men of my generation who
>grew up with John Wayne and war movies on afterschool
>television. Perhaps it is all of the videos shown today
>with male singers who also dance. I think that bodes well
>for all social dances.
>
>
> > Another oximoronic concept is the one that suggests that
> > there are dancers out there with "all the technique" (I
>presume they've mastered the technique) and yet they can't
>dance tango...... >
>
>Respectfully,
> >
> > Manuel
> >
>
>I interpret those discussions to be about dancers who are
>good technically but dont convey the feeling of tango, the
>warmth, the connection. Or perhaps they do not interpret
>the music successfully. Im not sure one could place these
>attributes under technique.
>
>Happy tangos,
>Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>P.S. Sorry I missed G&G in Atlanta. I hope you have them
>back again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
>that gives answers, not web links.
https://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Iron Logic <railogic@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
To: WHITE 95 R <white95r@hotmail.com>, patangos@yahoo.com,
>>>>
Also technical expertise implies that one can dance to the music and with grace
>>>
If you insist on using correct terms to describe the right things, then the above does not make sense.
Generally 'technique' encompasses physical skills like balance, axis, lead, groundedness etc etc....If you club everything under 'technique' , it doesn't help...i believe.
We always try to compensate for what we lack with one things with another, it is our nature: connection for lack elegance, technique for lack of musicality etc etc.....Ofcourse there are many who have it all.
It is not exageration if we say there are dancers in US with good technique but poor musicality, their number is significant.
no music = No dance.
But I agree, they must have something...or else women will not dance with them.
IL
WHITE 95 R <white95r@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Trini,
I appreciate your feedback. I too had some nice conversations, albeit short,
with Rodolfo & Maria Cieri before Rodolfo's death. BTW, I really admired
their dancing. Rodolfo was a really fine dancer with impeccable technique
and wonderful sense of musicality. As you probably know, I'm a native
Spanish speaker so I have had many wonderful chats with many great Argentine
tango dancers. Actually, since I'm not so far removed from some of their
generations, I actually have memories of the tango music when it was played
in the radio and also I remember my parents and other grown-ups dancing the
tango (it was like the early tango as taught by Eduardo and Gloria
Arquimbau).
Anyway, it is a running joke among teachers that they don't give credit to
their teachers. From talking with most of them you get the idea that they
were all self-taught (-; The truth is that many of them learned tango from
other dancers. Granted, they are innovators and artists in their own right
and they invented or discovered many a new move or step. The tango has been
in the process of emerging and changing since it's beginnings way back then.
Many of the best dancers of today learned from their parents who were
themselves great dancers. Many others were trained dancers of folkloric
groups or modern dance, who learned tango from excellent instructors.
I have it from several credible sources that the early tango was basically a
grapevine step (the molinete or giro) which remains to this day as the basic
code of the tango. Both partners danced the same way mirroring each other
and danced sideways. There was no line of dance. I'm sure it was easier to
learn by watching and dancing... Later the tango evolved to what it is like
today. It would be very difficult, specially for a guy to just watch modern
salon tango and learn all it's intricacies of lead and follow, plus all the
steps, LOD, musicality, etc. The truth is that a few people with special
talent can learn and even create dance steps and moves with ease. But even
they have some sort of instruction. Often it is high caliber instruction.
I began to dance regularly and often many years ago. I remember that all the
couple dances were challenging to learn and more difficult to become skilled
at them. Even the folk dances which are much easier to do present challenges
to many people. There are numbers of them who can't even contra dance or
dance old time square dances very well after doing it for years. One of the
things we did in Atlanta in the contra dances was to institute instruction
for the new comers...... Yes, even folk dances require instruction in order
to learn. I've taught swing in the past and I've found that even with lots
of instruction and patience, many people have a very hard time learning even
the most basic thing, such as the 1,2 rock step... Even merengue is super
challenging to many folks. Salsa is all but impossible to pick up by
watching. Tango is no different, it's a specialized dance with it's own set
of rules and structures. Although tango allows more "faking" of the dance
(since many people totally ignore the music), it's still a difficult dance
to get master or even to gain a modicum of proficiency.
I think I understand who these "technical experts" are. I think we are
talking about people who have managed to mimic tango movements somewhat
successfully, but have not learned to dance. There are some of them. But
personally, I think that the tango technique includes the ability to lead
and follow with skill and smoothness. Also technical expertise implies that
one can dance to the music and with grace. Otherwise, I don't think that a
person is technically proficient. There are a few dancers out there that
appear to be quite good and yet leave one thinking that there is something
missing... But I think that these are a very small minority. Hardly worth
the huge discussions generated in these forums. My goodness, from the volume
of discussions about these folks, one could think that a huge percentage of
tango dancers are out there with perfect technical skills and no feeling
whatsoever (-;
With best regards,
Manuel
P.S.
It would have been great if you could have joined us for the G&G event. We
had a wonderful time. The workshops and the milongas were exceptionally
good. The level of dancing was just awesome. We even had genuine Argentine
food at the milongas (5 milongas in 4 days). We had authentic media lunas,
facturas, dulce de leche, jamon y queso, etc. At the farewell milonga we
even had a genuine asado with the authentic style cuts of beef, high quality
Uruguayan chorizo, salads, freshly baked bread, milhojas cake, wine, etc.
The participants were just great. Could not ask for a better bunch of tango
dancers and all around great people. I'll contact you when another event
like this takes place.
visit our webpage
www.tango-rio.com
>From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)"
>To: Tango-L
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
>Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hi Manuel
>
>Nice post and your suggestion of using words more precisely
>stands on its own merits. I had a few thoughts on some
>topics you touched on.
>
> > I've yet to see a single guy just "go dancing" and learn
> > to dance tango (or any other partner dance). Of course, >
>this depends on your definition of learning a dance >versus
>my understanding of being able to dance a >particular
>partner dance......
>
>I think you?re right about this regarding the current
>generation of tango dancers. Even in earlier generations,
>there was some instruction or practica going on, though I
>get the sense that it was more playful than what we do now.
> I?d like to think that perhaps one day the tango scene
>will regain its former strength and parents will be
>teaching their kids, and a young man or woman can "just go
>dancing" and not have to do all of the work many of us are
>doing today. Some work, surely, but hopefully they will
>have an easier time.
>
>A few years ago I asked Maria Cieri (widow of Rudolfo
>Cieri) about how they learned. They both started at around
>6-7 with their parents. After they wed (in their early
>teens), they only danced with each other or with friends.
>Our Spanish/French and her English wasn?t good enough to
>get the whole details, but she talked about dancing to
>Pugliese every Friday night for 5 years. Then they stopped
>dancing because of the junta, during which she said people
>didn?t feel like dancing, except at weddings. Twenty years
>later, tango revives and they end up doing a performance
>for the queen of England. Someone else may know more of
>their history than I do, but what struck me was "5 years".
>That?s it?! 5 years! And they danced beautifully. I think
>we're at least a generation from that.
>
>What I have noticed is a greater interest by young men in
>learning to dance compared to the men of my generation who
>grew up with John Wayne and war movies on afterschool
>television. Perhaps it is all of the videos shown today
>with male singers who also dance. I think that bodes well
>for all social dances.
>
>
> > Another oximoronic concept is the one that suggests that
> > there are dancers out there with "all the technique" (I
>presume they've mastered the technique) and yet they can't
>dance tango...... >
>
>Respectfully,
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> > Manuel
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>I interpret those discussions to be about dancers who are
>good technically but don?t convey the feeling of tango, the
>warmth, the connection. Or perhaps they do not interpret
>the music successfully. I?m not sure one could place these
>attributes under ?technique?.
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>Happy tangos,
>Trini de Pittsburgh
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>P.S. Sorry I missed G&G in Atlanta. I hope you have them
>back again.
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>Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
>that gives answers, not web links.
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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:52:28 +0300
From: "Krasimir Stoyanov" <krasimir@krasimir.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Practice can be a waste too.
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
It is extremely important that people practice (let's just call it) the right thing. No matter if the dancing is considered practice. Or just the lessons and seminars. That is why dancing with good partners improves you. Dancing with bad partners is not going to make you good, even if you spend 20 years dancing 6 hours a night. Of course, people learn to protect themselves, but that's all.
So what really works is the right teaching - not oversimplifying and not overcomplicating matters - and then, good partners to dance with. Sounds simple, but it is not unfortunately.
