3712 Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:38:32 EDT
From: DanTangoPier@AOL.COM
Subject: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
We are having a "Vintage" tango night at a Milonga in San Francisco and
looking for some of the earliest tango recordings that are fun dance pieces. Late
teens or early 20's -- anything before 1932. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Daniel Peters
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:14:18 -0700
From: Igor Polk <ipolk@VIRTUAR.COM>
Subject: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
"Vintage" tango? From "pre-1932"?
You, guys, from your newest of the new tango nuevo in the CellSpace club are
going too far!!!
Igor Polk
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:43:04 -0400
From: Clint Rauscher <clint@AXIALPARTNERS.COM>
Subject: Re: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Hi Daniel,
I love the music of this period. One of my favorites is
Orquesta Tipica Brunswick
https://www.todotango.com/english/creadores/orq_brunswick.asp.
Unfortunately, I can't find any albums available by them, other than, the
one I have from Todo Tango Club which is no longer in existence and they
have no way on their site of ordering their older CDs.
I hate that this music is out there and there is no way of people getting
it. I usually play a tanda of this music at our Milongas and I almost always
get someone saying how much they loved it and asking who it was.
I just uploaded 3 of these songs to our site for you to download. Normally,
I would never provide MP3s of songs if it was at all possible for you to buy
them, but there simply is no way of purchasing these songs. If anyone knows
of a place that has some Cds by this Orchesta then please let me know.
https://www.tangoevolution.com/music/
Mariposa De Ilusion
Mosca Muerta
Fruta Prohibida (I believe the instrument heard in the middle of the song is
a Saw or possibly a Theremin) If you don't know what a Theremin is check
out: https://www.thereminworld.com/learn.asp
All the best,
Clint
clint@tangoevolution.com
https://www.tangoevolution.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango
> [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of DanTangoPier@AOL.COM
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:39 AM
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
>
>
> We are having a "Vintage" tango night at a Milonga in San
> Francisco and
> looking for some of the earliest tango recordings that are
> fun dance pieces. Late
> teens or early 20's -- anything before 1932. Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel Peters
>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:47:25 -0400
From: John Gleeson <johngleeson1@VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Thank you for those tracks, Clint. Music from this period is amongst my favourites too.
I don't have any CDs of the Brunswick Orquesta, but I do have several of the "Orquesta Tipica Victor", which are commercially
available. Since you like the "Brunswick" orquesta I am sure that you will like OTV too (even without the musical saw :<).
John G.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I love the music of this period. One of my favorites is
> Orquesta Tipica Brunswick
> https://www.todotango.com/english/creadores/orq_brunswick.asp.
> Unfortunately, I can't find any albums available by them, other than, the
> one I have from Todo Tango Club which is no longer in existence and they
> have no way on their site of ordering their older CDs.
>
> I hate that this music is out there and there is no way of people getting
> it. I usually play a tanda of this music at our Milongas and I almost always
> get someone saying how much they loved it and asking who it was.
>
> I just uploaded 3 of these songs to our site for you to download. Normally,
> I would never provide MP3s of songs if it was at all possible for you to buy
> them, but there simply is no way of purchasing these songs. If anyone knows
> of a place that has some Cds by this Orchesta then please let me know.
>
> https://www.tangoevolution.com/music/
> Mariposa De Ilusion
> Mosca Muerta
> Fruta Prohibida (I believe the instrument heard in the middle of the song is
> a Saw or possibly a Theremin) If you don't know what a Theremin is check
> out: https://www.thereminworld.com/learn.asp
>
> All the best,
>
> Clint
> clint@tangoevolution.com
> https://www.tangoevolution.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango
>> [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of DanTangoPier@AOL.COM
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:39 AM
>> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>> Subject: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
>>
>>
>> We are having a "Vintage" tango night at a Milonga in San
>> Francisco and
>> looking for some of the earliest tango recordings that are
>> fun dance pieces. Late
>> teens or early 20's -- anything before 1932. Any suggestions would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel Peters
>>
>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:44:04 -0700
From: Igor Polk <ipolk@VIRTUAR.COM>
Subject: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Jeeeeeee
Lomuto, Donato, De Caro, Canaro, Bianco Bachicha, Arolas, Fresedo, Puglisi,
Igor Polk
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:56:41 -0600
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <tangospring@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Those are three interesting tangos. I have not heard them before,
thanks Clint. However there is an interesting challenge here: since
there are only three of them one needs to add one more to make a
tanda. After trying several choices here is my tanda:
Mariposa
Fruta
Mosca
De mi barrio by OTV
because this tango has the same relentless thumping main rhythm as
preceeding three from Brunswick and similar simple arrangements. It's
also instrumental - no clash in singer styles.
Another reasonably good fit is A la gran mun~eca by Lomuto (a bit
quicker, which is OK and better than a bit slower, arrangements are
somewhat more complex however, but acceptable).
Cheers, Oleh Kovalchuke
https://TangoSpring.com
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:09:00 -0400
From: Clint Rauscher <clint@AXIALPARTNERS.COM>
Subject: Re: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Hi Oleh,
Any of those songs would do to make a 4 song tanda, but I always do 3 song
tandas.
There are many reasons for this.
* Often women outnumber the men at Milongas. So, shorter tandas mean more
tandas and more opportunities for people to swap partners.
* We have to be out at 11pm at the location we have our Milongas. So, I
like to keep the tandas short to be able to play as much variety of music as
possible.
* Sometimes the quality of dancing can be variable and there are often lots
of beginners. Beginners need to dance and I think it is easier more
experienced dancers to commit to 3 songs than 4.
Not that 4 song tandas are bad. Not at all. I just think if you are in a
community where one or more of the above apply then 3 song tandas should be
considered.
Also, you asked in an earlier email why I labeled these songs Canyengue when
the guy in the first song clearly says that it is a Tango. It is absolutely
a tango song. I designated it as Canyengue in iTunes, so that when I am
building a tanda to Canyengue to I know it is a possible song to include.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as Canyengue music.
Canyengue or Antique Tango are early styles/expressions of tango. Much of
the pre-golden age music has a good cadence or rythm for dancing canyengue.
You would also find this rhythm in most of the music of the old guard.
All the best,
Clint
clint@tangoevolution.com
https://www.tangoevolution.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango
> [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Oleh Kovalchuke
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:57 PM
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
>
>
> Those are three interesting tangos. I have not heard them before,
> thanks Clint. However there is an interesting challenge here: since
> there are only three of them one needs to add one more to make a
> tanda. After trying several choices here is my tanda:
>
> Mariposa
> Fruta
> Mosca
> De mi barrio by OTV
>
> because this tango has the same relentless thumping main rhythm as
> preceeding three from Brunswick and similar simple arrangements. It's
> also instrumental - no clash in singer styles.
>
> Another reasonably good fit is A la gran mun~eca by Lomuto (a bit
> quicker, which is OK and better than a bit slower, arrangements are
> somewhat more complex however, but acceptable).
>
>
> Cheers, Oleh Kovalchuke
> https://TangoSpring.com
>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:34:43 -0600
From: Bruno Romero <romerob@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Subject: Re: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Clint wrote:
>To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as Canyengue music.
Canyengue or Antique Tango are early styles/expressions of tango. Much of
the pre-golden age music has a good cadence or rythm for dancing canyengue.
You would also find this rhythm in most of the music of the old guard.<
My 2 cents:
Cayengue: Derived from kimbundo Ka-llengue, this word was assigned to a
contemporary dance to candombe danced by the afro-argentines. To dance with
Cayengue means to dance like a black person. Subsequently, this word went to
mean the characteristic rhythms of African drums in the Rio de la Plata. To
apply cayengue to a music score is to furnish it with: the intangibles of
unpredictable accents, syncopations, suspended tacit rhythms, typical
rhythmic and polyrhythmic movements of the African and Afro-American music.
It is the equivalent to *swing* in the vocabulary of the Afro-North
Americans. It is the equivalent of *bossa* for the Afro-Brazilians music. In
its most strict sense Cayengue designates the accentuation of the weak beats
(tiempos) of a measure (compass). In tango this is performed by the double
bass through a technique called *slapping*: thumping the strings with the
palm of the right hand, with an arc, stick, or piece of wire. This way of
playing was in effect in the 18th century by orchestras of black musicians
in America even in Argentina. Leopoldo Thompson played cayengue when he
played for the Eduardo Arolas orchestra. In Lunfardo cayengue means
ramshackle (destartalado).
Bruno
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:39:37 -0400
From: Clint Rauscher <clint@AXIALPARTNERS.COM>
Subject: Re: Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Yes. I do like Orquesta Tipica Victor. They are more readily available than
Brunswick.
I espcially like their songs:
Barra Universitaria (1927)
Mi Ultimo Trago (1931) Cantante: Teofilo Ibanez
Quiero Papita (1932) Cantante: Alberto Gomez
Some others that would be pre-1932:
Juan Maglio "Pacho"
Songs:
Arrepentido/Sorry (1927)
Se va la lancha/The Boat Goes Away (1928)
Che Papusa Oi (1928)
Julia De Caro
Songs:
Lorenzo (1926) Cantante: Luis Diaz
Corazon Herido/Broken Heart (1927)
Victoria (1929)
Catita (1932) Cantante: Teofilo Ibanez
All the best,
Clint
clint@tangoevolution.com
https://www.tangoevolution.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango
> [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of John Gleeson
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 PM
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
>
>
> Thank you for those tracks, Clint. Music from this period is
> amongst my favourites too.
>
> I don't have any CDs of the Brunswick Orquesta, but I do have
> several of the "Orquesta Tipica Victor", which are commercially
> available. Since you like the "Brunswick" orquesta I am sure
> that you will like OTV too (even without the musical saw :<).
>
> John G.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clint Rauscher" <clint@AXIALPARTNERS.COM>
> To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
>
>
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > I love the music of this period. One of my favorites is
> > Orquesta Tipica Brunswick
> > https://www.todotango.com/english/creadores/orq_brunswick.asp.
> > Unfortunately, I can't find any albums available by them,
> other than, the
> > one I have from Todo Tango Club which is no longer in
> existence and they
> > have no way on their site of ordering their older CDs.
> >
> > I hate that this music is out there and there is no way of
> people getting
> > it. I usually play a tanda of this music at our Milongas
> and I almost always
> > get someone saying how much they loved it and asking who it was.
> >
> > I just uploaded 3 of these songs to our site for you to
> download. Normally,
> > I would never provide MP3s of songs if it was at all
> possible for you to buy
> > them, but there simply is no way of purchasing these songs.
> If anyone knows
> > of a place that has some Cds by this Orchesta then please
> let me know.
> >
> > https://www.tangoevolution.com/music/
> > Mariposa De Ilusion
> > Mosca Muerta
> > Fruta Prohibida (I believe the instrument heard in the
> middle of the song is
> > a Saw or possibly a Theremin) If you don't know what a
> Theremin is check
> > out: https://www.thereminworld.com/learn.asp
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Clint
> > clint@tangoevolution.com
> > https://www.tangoevolution.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango
> >> [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of DanTangoPier@AOL.COM
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:39 AM
> >> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> >> Subject: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
> >>
> >>
> >> We are having a "Vintage" tango night at a Milonga in San
> >> Francisco and
> >> looking for some of the earliest tango recordings that are
> >> fun dance pieces. Late
> >> teens or early 20's -- anything before 1932. Any
> suggestions would be
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Daniel Peters
> >>
> >
>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:39 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
We are having a "Vintage" tango night at a Milonga in San
Francisco and
looking for some of the earliest tango recordings that are
fun dance pieces. Late
teens or early 20's -- anything before 1932. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Daniel Peters
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:50:51 -0600
From: Dave Schmitz <dschmitz@MAGELLAN.TEQ.STORTEK.COM>
Subject: 3-song tandas, was Re: [TANGO-L] Pre- 1932 tango music favorites
Clint wrote:
> Any of those songs would do to make a 4 song tanda, but I always do 3 song
> tandas.
Clint elucidates several reasons for 3 song tandas.
My experience is that these reasons don't always work out.
> * Often women outnumber the men at Milongas. So, shorter tandas mean more
> tandas and more opportunities for people to swap partners.
Perhaps in your town.
When I or others have tried 3-song tandas in Denver, I've seen
many guys stay with the same partner for two tandas.
The opportunities are there, but ignored.
> * We have to be out at 11pm at the location we have our Milongas. So, I
> like to keep the tandas short to be able to play as much variety of music as
> possible.
Okay, I'll buy this one.
> * Sometimes the quality of dancing can be variable and there are often lots
> of beginners. Beginners need to dance and I think it is easier more
> experienced dancers to commit to 3 songs than 4.
Doesn't seem to bother some people. I've observed couples splitting
after the third song of a tanda, after the second, and even after
the first. As well as starting in the middle of a tanda.
If the more experienced dancer is doing the inviting, it's possible
to wait until one or two songs have gone by. Or if the invitee,
there are always polite ways of delaying until a song has gone by.
There could be other reasons for 3-song tandas.
How about this one . . .
* Late in the evening (o en la madrugada) when people are dragging,
either play slower & relaxing 4-song tandas or go to 3-song tandas
for material that requires more energy or intensity. I.e., balance
the 'energy' of each tanda, not the duration or the song count,
depending on the energy of the crowd.
In the end, to quote a well-known deejay,
one must know one's own crowd.
What works in one town may flop in another,
and vice-versa.
Dave de Denver
