2685 Progress report I
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:18:03 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Progress report I
Lois says "I find it quite interesting that there seem to be more
non-Argentines
teaching this way, while so many Argentines are teaching open style. Yet you
need to be able to dance this way to dance socially in Bs.As. There is such
a disconnect - even in the Bs.As clubs, some famous instructor will teach a
complicated pattern in open style before the milonga. But during the dance
no one will use it, or even dance that way, except maybe a few Europeans or
Americans.
Why don't more Argentine instructors focus on this way of dancing? "
Then Steve adds that the reason is that most Argentine instructors are stage
dancers, they frequently studied other dance forms and that most are not
milongueros and do not have an extensive experience as social dancers.
The problem (IMO) comes from the fact that exists a lot of confusion with
respect to what open and close embrace means and how these forms of dancing
relate to the different tango styles.
To simplify we should consider that there are tango steps and figures that
are generally done in close embrace such as walking in different ways and
others that require an open embrace to be performed, independently of the
amount of space available for dancing. You adjust to dancing in a crowded
place by shortening your steps, walking in different ways, changing weight
in place (balanceo), turning right and left using a special technique
everything done in a way so that you utilize very little space. There is no
room for anything else. This way of dancing is "social dancing" the figures
belong to "Salon Style". However:
Steps and figures are not the only adaptation to the lack of space,
technique is adjusted as well.
Small steps, step flat footed, keep your chests together, do not shift the
waist to do ochos, etc.
A few Argentine Instructors identified this form of dancing and its
corresponding technique and started to teach it both in Argentina and abroad
under different names such as Milonguero (Susana Miller, Cacho Dante) or
Salon (Tete). One can dance in crowded spaces using "Pure" salon technique
(shifting your hips for ochos for instance) and still utilize walking in
different ways, smaller steps, changes of front, turns, etc).
There are people that only learn to dance that way, they are regular
milongueros who go dancing socially on a weekly bases. They do not need
anything else and are perfectly happy dancing that way.
This form of dancing is adjusted for crowded places and utilizes only a
small group of steps and figures of the greater universe of Argentine Tango.
but there are other dancers that.... will continue.
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:29:17 -0700
From: Jean-Marie Herve Michel <jhmichel@STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Progress report I
Well with the appropriate instructor and/or partner a person can learn to
adjust their steps
Quoting Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>:
> Lois says "I find it quite interesting that there seem to be more
> non-Argentines
> teaching this way, while so many Argentines are teaching open style. Yet
> you
> need to be able to dance this way to dance socially in Bs.As. There is
> such
> a disconnect - even in the Bs.As clubs, some famous instructor will teach
> a
> complicated pattern in open style before the milonga. But during the
> dance
> no one will use it, or even dance that way, except maybe a few Europeans
> or
> Americans.
>
> Why don't more Argentine instructors focus on this way of dancing? "
>
> Then Steve adds that the reason is that most Argentine instructors are
> stage
> dancers, they frequently studied other dance forms and that most are not
> milongueros and do not have an extensive experience as social dancers.
>
> The problem (IMO) comes from the fact that exists a lot of confusion
> with
> respect to what open and close embrace means and how these forms of
> dancing
> relate to the different tango styles.
>
> To simplify we should consider that there are tango steps and figures
> that
> are generally done in close embrace such as walking in different ways
> and
> others that require an open embrace to be performed, independently of
> the
> amount of space available for dancing. You adjust to dancing in a
> crowded
> place by shortening your steps, walking in different ways, changing
> weight
> in place (balanceo), turning right and left using a special technique
> everything done in a way so that you utilize very little space. There is
> no
> room for anything else. This way of dancing is "social dancing" the
> figures
> belong to "Salon Style". However:
>
> Steps and figures are not the only adaptation to the lack of space,
> technique is adjusted as well.
>
> Small steps, step flat footed, keep your chests together, do not shift
> the
> waist to do ochos, etc.
>
> A few Argentine Instructors identified this form of dancing and its
> corresponding technique and started to teach it both in Argentina and
> abroad
> under different names such as Milonguero (Susana Miller, Cacho Dante) or
> Salon (Tete). One can dance in crowded spaces using "Pure" salon
> technique
> (shifting your hips for ochos for instance) and still utilize walking in
> different ways, smaller steps, changes of front, turns, etc).
>
> There are people that only learn to dance that way, they are regular
> milongueros who go dancing socially on a weekly bases. They do not need
> anything else and are perfectly happy dancing that way.
>
> This form of dancing is adjusted for crowded places and utilizes only a
> small group of steps and figures of the greater universe of Argentine
> Tango.
>
> but there are other dancers that.... will continue.
>
>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:38:47 -0700
From: Carlos Rojas <Crojas@HACIENDACDC.ORG>
Subject: Re: Progress report I
Sergio wrote:
"This way of dancing is "social dancing" the figures belong to "Salon
Style"."
In my experience, I noticed no difference in dancing with Suzana Miller than
dancing with Fernanda Ghi, they both dance tango, they dance from their
heart and can give a rat's tail about the steps or lack thereof, in my
experience the difference between salon and milonguero is like the
difference of building 2 identical houses, but painting one red and the
other one blue.
And aside from acrobatic moves, every step you can do in open embrace, you
can do in close and vice-versa.
Carlos Rojas
Portland, OR
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To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Progress report I
Lois says "I find it quite interesting that there seem to be more
non-Argentines
teaching this way, while so many Argentines are teaching open style. Yet you
need to be able to dance this way to dance socially in Bs.As. There is such
a disconnect - even in the Bs.As clubs, some famous instructor will teach a
complicated pattern in open style before the milonga. But during the dance
no one will use it, or even dance that way, except maybe a few Europeans or
Americans.
Why don't more Argentine instructors focus on this way of dancing? "
Then Steve adds that the reason is that most Argentine instructors are stage
dancers, they frequently studied other dance forms and that most are not
milongueros and do not have an extensive experience as social dancers.
The problem (IMO) comes from the fact that exists a lot of confusion with
respect to what open and close embrace means and how these forms of dancing
relate to the different tango styles.
To simplify we should consider that there are tango steps and figures that
are generally done in close embrace such as walking in different ways and
others that require an open embrace to be performed, independently of the
amount of space available for dancing. You adjust to dancing in a crowded
place by shortening your steps, walking in different ways, changing weight
in place (balanceo), turning right and left using a special technique
everything done in a way so that you utilize very little space. There is no
room for anything else. This way of dancing is "social dancing" the figures
belong to "Salon Style". However:
Steps and figures are not the only adaptation to the lack of space,
technique is adjusted as well.
Small steps, step flat footed, keep your chests together, do not shift the
waist to do ochos, etc.
A few Argentine Instructors identified this form of dancing and its
corresponding technique and started to teach it both in Argentina and abroad
under different names such as Milonguero (Susana Miller, Cacho Dante) or
Salon (Tete). One can dance in crowded spaces using "Pure" salon technique
(shifting your hips for ochos for instance) and still utilize walking in
different ways, smaller steps, changes of front, turns, etc).
There are people that only learn to dance that way, they are regular
milongueros who go dancing socially on a weekly bases. They do not need
anything else and are perfectly happy dancing that way.
This form of dancing is adjusted for crowded places and utilizes only a
small group of steps and figures of the greater universe of Argentine Tango.
but there are other dancers that.... will continue.
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:21:32 -0700
From: Jean-Marie Herve Michel <jhmichel@STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Progress report I
Always dance from the heart, but I also belive that one has to take he
partner in account.
Quoting Carlos Rojas <Crojas@HACIENDACDC.ORG>:
> Sergio wrote:
> "This way of dancing is "social dancing" the figures belong to "Salon
> Style"."
>
> In my experience, I noticed no difference in dancing with Suzana
Miller
> than
> dancing with Fernanda Ghi, they both dance tango, they dance from
their
> heart and can give a rat's tail about the steps or lack thereof, in my
> experience the difference between salon and milonguero is like the
> difference of building 2 identical houses, but painting one red and
the
> other one blue.
>
> And aside from acrobatic moves, every step you can do in open embrace,
> you
> can do in close and vice-versa.
>
> Carlos Rojas
> Portland, OR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango
> [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Sergio Vandekier
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:18 AM
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: [TANGO-L] Progress report I
>
> Lois says "I find it quite interesting that there seem to be more
> non-Argentines
> teaching this way, while so many Argentines are teaching open style.
Yet
> you
> need to be able to dance this way to dance socially in Bs.As. There is
> such
> a disconnect - even in the Bs.As clubs, some famous instructor will
teach
> a
> complicated pattern in open style before the milonga. But during the
> dance
> no one will use it, or even dance that way, except maybe a few
Europeans
> or
> Americans.
>
> Why don't more Argentine instructors focus on this way of dancing? "
>
> Then Steve adds that the reason is that most Argentine instructors are
> stage
> dancers, they frequently studied other dance forms and that most are
not
> milongueros and do not have an extensive experience as social dancers.
>
> The problem (IMO) comes from the fact that exists a lot of confusion
> with
> respect to what open and close embrace means and how these forms of
> dancing
> relate to the different tango styles.
>
> To simplify we should consider that there are tango steps and figures
> that
> are generally done in close embrace such as walking in different ways
> and
> others that require an open embrace to be performed, independently of
> the
> amount of space available for dancing. You adjust to dancing in a
> crowded
> place by shortening your steps, walking in different ways, changing
> weight
> in place (balanceo), turning right and left using a special technique
> everything done in a way so that you utilize very little space. There
is
> no
> room for anything else. This way of dancing is "social dancing" the
> figures
> belong to "Salon Style". However:
>
> Steps and figures are not the only adaptation to the lack of space,
> technique is adjusted as well.
>
> Small steps, step flat footed, keep your chests together, do not shift
> the
> waist to do ochos, etc.
>
> A few Argentine Instructors identified this form of dancing and its
> corresponding technique and started to teach it both in Argentina and
> abroad
> under different names such as Milonguero (Susana Miller, Cacho Dante)
or
> Salon (Tete). One can dance in crowded spaces using "Pure" salon
> technique
> (shifting your hips for ochos for instance) and still utilize walking
in
> different ways, smaller steps, changes of front, turns, etc).
>
> There are people that only learn to dance that way, they are regular
> milongueros who go dancing socially on a weekly bases. They do not
need
> anything else and are perfectly happy dancing that way.
>
> This form of dancing is adjusted for crowded places and utilizes only
a
> small group of steps and figures of the greater universe of Argentine
> Tango.
>
> but there are other dancers that.... will continue.
>
>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:31:40 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Progress report II
...but there are others that like to use more elements of Argentine Tango.
They use boleos, amagues, ganchos, all sort of sacadas, planeos, dibujos,
enrosques, cambios, sentadas, etc, etc.
So those people are not satisfied with dancing a few moves all night long
again and again in crowded places. They wish to dance with a little more
room, they like to learn and they enjoy very much to dance using as many
elements as are available to them.
I personally dance in several different styles and enjoy all of them.
One of my favorite places is "La Rada" in Mar del Plata. There is a (Nuevo
tango) lesson followed by the Milonga on Thursdays. It is a fairly small
place. Most people are young and dance with back boleos, heel sacadas,
amagues, ganchos, etc, in extremely open embrace with counter rotation and
opposition movements, some of them dance pure salon, preserving a perfect
connection and frame with some "light" between the partners, and very few
dance milonguero with no "light" in the embrace and its typical foot work
and technique.
What I really like about this place is that there could be 40 couples on the
floor dancing with a tremendous amount of connection and energy throwing
back boleos, amagues sacadas doing opposition moves, all with perfect
management of space and navigation. It is like a musical with 40 couples
every one doing all sorts of acrobatic, beautiful, flowing moves without
collisions, without interfering anyone else.
When I feel like dancingthis way i go there and "I" call this social dancing
for I socialize and dance in perfect harmony with every one else.
If I feel like dancing pure Salon Style I go to sunderland or Sin Rumbo in
Villa Urquiza (Buenos Aires), here people dance with some "light" between
the partners at times very close, at times more apart.
Some do boleos, amagues, ganchos other mostly walk, everything in a perfect
harmonious way without interfering anyone else.
I think that some people only learn to dance in "one" way and there fore
they are ignorant with respect to other styles and forms of dancing, some
are not only ignorant, they are disrespectful, dogmatic and opinionated.
They draw all sort of erroneous conclusions based on their limited
knowledge.
Summary : if you enjoy dancing milonguero, by all means continue to do so
but do not erroneously assume that that is the only form of social dancing.
...will continue.
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:09:35 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Progress report III
Charles talks about Danel and Maria, excellent teachers that I had the
privilege of meeting years ago. They are balanced, elegant and teach a
form of dancing perfectly suited for social dancing both in crowded or open
areas. They dance like most Argentine Instructors: Tango Argentino in its
"mother" form with all the elements that are available. This "salon" style
utilizes both a close and an open embrace as needed. Should you be dancing
in a very crowded place you dance close all the time with smaller steps and
embellishments. Should you have more room available you may dance in open
embrace all the time or else you may alternate the embrace as needed by the
steps and figures that you are creating, utilizing all the elements that
this dance possesses. You dance with musicality, you *always follow the
line of dance, you adjust your dancing to the place, the available space,
the music, your partner, and you dance with respect for the milonga codes,
all this while preserving the salon style technique.
I discovered in my travels that most people dance this way both in Argentina
and abroad. The problem is that abroad people think that close embrace and
milonguero are the same thing. You can dance close embrace using Salon steps
and technique, and this is what most people do.
So when Argentinean instructors teach all the elements that Argentine Tango
can offer, they do it not because this is the only way they can make money
but because is the way they dance. They came to your city because you liked
the way they dance and you invited them to teach there.
There are people that are perfectly satisfied by doing a few steps that they
repeat all night long with great success. They do not mind at all dancing in
very crowded places. There are other people, on the other hand, that like
dancing with more space to do more figures and embellishments. These last
ones come to the milongas really early or late to be able to dance the way
they prefer. Others will seat and socialize during the busy hours to start
dancing at the very end of the milonga. Should they decide to dance during
the crowded period , naturally they will dance in a different way that they
would do if they had more room (this includes tango instructors).
They organize their own private milongas as well.
It should be understood that very frequently a visiting Argentine instructor
comes to your city assuming that the basic elements of dancing are already
known. He will teach figures that have certain elements he thinks you should
acquire. He will teach a figure that may go against the line of dance or
zig-zaging all over but this is irrelevant as it is assumed that the student
will dance socially utilizing the elements there included . The error is to
believe that the instructor wants you to go to a crowded milonga and use
such a figure in its entire form and shape. Those figures are mere
sequences that you may dismember as you create your own tango.
Summary: Salon Tango can be danced in close, open or alternating embraces.
...will continue.
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:12:30 -0700
From: Elemer Dubrovay <dubrovay@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Progress report II
I was in Mar del Plata and danced in la "Rada" and I did not find any
enjoyment in the dance.
It was like dancing in the middle of a freeway.
Elemer in Redmond
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:31:40 +0000 Sergio Vandekier
<sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> ...but there are others that like to use more elements of Argentine
> Tango.
> They use boleos, amagues, ganchos, all sort of sacadas, planeos,
> dibujos,
> enrosques, cambios, sentadas, etc, etc.
>
> So those people are not satisfied with dancing a few moves all night
> long
> again and again in crowded places. They wish to dance with a little
> more
> room, they like to learn and they enjoy very much to dance using as
> many
> elements as are available to them.
>
> I personally dance in several different styles and enjoy all of
> them.
>
> One of my favorite places is "La Rada" in Mar del Plata. There is a
> (Nuevo
> tango) lesson followed by the Milonga on Thursdays. It is a fairly
> small
> place. Most people are young and dance with back boleos, heel
> sacadas,
> amagues, ganchos, etc, in extremely open embrace with counter
> rotation and
> opposition movements, some of them dance pure salon, preserving a
> perfect
> connection and frame with some "light" between the partners, and
> very few
> dance milonguero with no "light" in the embrace and its typical foot
> work
> and technique.
>
> What I really like about this place is that there could be 40
> couples on the
> floor dancing with a tremendous amount of connection and energy
> throwing
> back boleos, amagues sacadas doing opposition moves, all with
> perfect
> management of space and navigation. It is like a musical with 40
> couples
> every one doing all sorts of acrobatic, beautiful, flowing moves
> without
> collisions, without interfering anyone else.
> When I feel like dancingthis way i go there and "I" call this social
> dancing
> for I socialize and dance in perfect harmony with every one else.
>
> If I feel like dancing pure Salon Style I go to sunderland or Sin
> Rumbo in
> Villa Urquiza (Buenos Aires), here people dance with some "light"
> between
> the partners at times very close, at times more apart.
> Some do boleos, amagues, ganchos other mostly walk, everything in a
> perfect
> harmonious way without interfering anyone else.
>
> I think that some people only learn to dance in "one" way and there
> fore
> they are ignorant with respect to other styles and forms of dancing,
> some
> are not only ignorant, they are disrespectful, dogmatic and
> opinionated.
> They draw all sort of erroneous conclusions based on their limited
> knowledge.
>
> Summary : if you enjoy dancing milonguero, by all means continue to
> do so
> but do not erroneously assume that that is the only form of social
> dancing.
> ...will continue.
>
> FREE!
>
>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:08:05 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Progress report IV
Michael says:
""They wish to dance with a little more room"???? But
there is no room;
this is a crowded social dance floor, Sergio. So what do you do? Make
some room by beating people away with big boleos and ganchos????"
Michael I am glad you entirely agree with me. I was quite clear that if you
are in a crowded dancing floor you adjust your dancing to those
circumstances. I also emphasized the fact that one must adhere to milonga
codes. I further explained in painful detail that those that wish to dance
with more room go to the milongas early, or late or organize their own
milongas in order to have enough room to dance their preferred style.
If there is no space available you have no choice other than dancing in
close embrace in a very compact style. This is what we find in a great
number of milongas in Buenos Aires.
The ones that have plenty of room are frequently considered unsuccessful and
deserted by most dancers that flock to the very crowded ones.
The practitioners of open embrace, counter rotation, opposition movement
style (Nuevo Tango) gather in small places that they like to patronize or
in certain areas of the larger clubs.
In the USA we usually have plenty of space available to dance; this gives us
the luxury of dancing any way we wish. Close embrace (milonguero or salon)
open style nuevo tango, etc.
**What I find difficult to understand is the fact that some groups that have
plenty of room available to dance decide to restrict their dancing style to
Milonguero, close embrace, ONLY because that is the way it is done in the
crowded milongas of B.A. Never mind that you dance 50 weeks a year in the
USA and only 2 weeks in Buenos Aires.
Now we arrive again to Lois question: In reference to teaching only close
embrace :
"I find it quite interesting that there seem to be more non-Argentines
teaching this way, while so many Argentines are teaching open style. Yet you
need to be able to dance this way to dance socially in Bs.As. There is such
a disconnect - even in the Bs.As clubs, some famous instructor will teach a
complicated pattern in open style before the milonga. But during the dance
no one will use it, or even dance that way, except maybe a few Europeans or
Americans.
Why don't more Argentine instructors focus on this way of dancing? "
What do you think? ...will continue.
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:33:15 +1200
From: Robert <bob.ramsey-turner@QUICKSILVER.NET.NZ>
Subject: Re: Progress report IV
Sergio wrote:-
**What I find difficult to understand is the fact that some groups that
have plenty of room available to dance decide to restrict their dancing
style to Milonguero, close embrace, ONLY because that is the way it is
done in the crowded milongas of B.A. Never mind that you dance 50 weeks
a year in the USA and only 2 weeks in Buenos Aires.
No, No, No, Sergio,
I dance Milonguero, not because that’s the way its done in BsAs or
anywhere else.
I dance that style, because that, for me is where the ultimate
connection is, its where the sweetness, the pathos and the sheer magic f
tango is.
I find it just as difficult to understand why others would want it any
other way, but they do.
Robert
Auckland NZ
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, 27 August 2004 4:08 p.m.
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Progress report IV
Michael says:
""They wish to dance with a little more room"????
But
there is no room;
this is a crowded social dance floor, Sergio. So what do you do? Make
some room by beating people away with big boleos and ganchos????"
Michael I am glad you entirely agree with me. I was quite clear that if
you
are in a crowded dancing floor you adjust your dancing to those
circumstances. I also emphasized the fact that one must adhere to
milonga
codes. I further explained in painful detail that those that wish to
dance
with more room go to the milongas early, or late or organize their own
milongas in order to have enough room to dance their preferred style.
If there is no space available you have no choice other than dancing in
close embrace in a very compact style. This is what we find in a great
number of milongas in Buenos Aires.
The ones that have plenty of room are frequently considered unsuccessful
and
deserted by most dancers that flock to the very crowded ones.
The practitioners of open embrace, counter rotation, opposition movement
style (Nuevo Tango) gather in small places that they like to patronize
or
in certain areas of the larger clubs.
In the USA we usually have plenty of space available to dance; this
gives us
the luxury of dancing any way we wish. Close embrace (milonguero or
salon)
open style nuevo tango, etc.
**What I find difficult to understand is the fact that some groups that
have
plenty of room available to dance decide to restrict their dancing style
to
Milonguero, close embrace, ONLY because that is the way it is done in
the
crowded milongas of B.A. Never mind that you dance 50 weeks a year in
the
USA and only 2 weeks in Buenos Aires.
Now we arrive again to Lois question: In reference to teaching only
close
embrace :
"I find it quite interesting that there seem to be more non-Argentines
teaching this way, while so many Argentines are teaching open style. Yet
you
need to be able to dance this way to dance socially in Bs.As. There is
such
a disconnect - even in the Bs.As clubs, some famous instructor will
teach a
complicated pattern in open style before the milonga. But during the
dance
no one will use it, or even dance that way, except maybe a few Europeans
or
Americans.
Why don't more Argentine instructors focus on this way of dancing? "
What do you think? ...will continue.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:24:30 -0700
From: Rick McGarrey <rickmcg@FLASH.NET>
Subject: Progress report I-V
Sergio writes:
"The problem (IMO) comes from the fact that exists a lot of confusion with
respect to what open and close embrace means and how these forms of dancing
relate to the different tango styles"
Well, if there is a lot of confusion about tango styles, most of it is in
Sergio's mind. Over and over he posts meaningless definitions of tango
"styles", along with his explanations about who dances them, where and how they
are danced, and why. He dismisses the great majority of the social dancers of
Buenos Aires as people who are "satisfied with dancing a few moves all night
long again and again in crowded places", and then suggests we join him for some
real tango in... Mar del Plata? Apparently so, because he finds "tremendous
energy" there, with people performing "back boleos, ganchos, and sentadas"!
There is also "counter rotation" and "opposition movement"! I'm familiar with
tango in Mar del Plata, and if this writer didn't take himself so seriously,
I'd think this was a joke.
People who see the complex social dancing in Buenos Aires as "dancing in a very
simple way", and who see ganchos and embellishments as exciting, are almost
always new to tango. They may have taken classes, but they have little
experience in the milongas. Anyone who really wants to understand how tango is
danced should either spend some time with someone who is familiar with the
milongas and the people of Argentina, or if possible, go there and study it for
themselves.
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:37:54 -0400
From: John Gleeson <john.gleeson@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Progress report I-V
> Rick writes:
>
> People who see the complex social dancing in Buenos Aires as "dancing in a very
> simple way", and who see ganchos and embellishments as exciting, are almost
> always new to tango. They may have taken classes, but they have little
> experience in the milongas. Anyone who really wants to understand how tango is
> danced should either spend some time with someone who is familiar with the
> milongas and the people of Argentina, or if possible, go there and study it for
> themselves.
>
Amen - and once again, AMEN !
John G.
