3693  Pseudonyms - Anonimity

Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:50:21 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Pseudonyms - Anonimity

Derik says:

"PS- I think that Sergio and Aron, Escady are being
gracious to accept this "non person". I would not do
it myself. I would urge them to reconsider, lest a
bad precedent be set. "

The truth is that this list allows the use of your real name or of any alias
or pseudonym that you may want to use. It is organized in such a way that
this is how it works.

When I sign "Sergio Vandekier" you do not know if that is my real name or a
pseudonym.

There are many people that know me personally so they know that I am using
my real name but I could be using the name Jack Thompson if I so wished, and
everyone would be happy knowing that I am Jack.

the use of a pseudonym has pros and cons. You remain anonymous when you
have to discuss unpopular matters or when you have to disagree with people
that may resent you for doing so but then you cannot receive credit for what
contributions you are making.

ATOF is another tango list, it was created in such a way that you must use
your real name. It was created in the mid 90s. I do not know if anything has
changed since then.

Tango-L used to have moderators that scrutinized the messages that were sent
. If a note was considered to be at fault, because it contained non tango
material, or because it was attacking somebody or more commonly included
prior messages or long parts of prior notes, then that message would be
rejected and the author would be placed on probation, which meant that your
notes would not be published till the moderator saw them. This normally
meant that your note appeared several days later or even worse: never.

Many valuable contributors to the list would stop writing because of this,
as they felt unjustly singled out.

Those that dedicated time and effort as moderators received in exchange for
their honorary work mostly ingratitude and frequently hatred. Nobody wanted
to be a moderator. So finally the list became unmoderated.

This is the best that could have happened, amazingly enough the notes became
more respectful and considerate, there has been some degree of self restrain
that may not have been present before.

From time to time an obnoxious entity appears, so no big deal, you place his
name in delete automatically and you never have to see his notes.

I really believe that the present arrangement is the best possible one.

Summary: a person using a pseudonym is not infringing any of the rules of
Tango-L.

Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:06:07 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Pseudonyms - Anonimity

Dear Sergio:

I do agree with you completely about this list
remaining unmoderated. That is a good idea. I think
that everyone should be able to post here freely, but
I do discount the views of people who operate in
secret, because they basically do not respect others.
They do in fact waste people's time. I agree that we
have to put up with that sometimes to get to the good
stuff.

I like the idea of having two separate kinds of
forum's:

One, no moderater, like this, a public forum and open
to all to begin any new topic of new conversation.

Two, no moderator, private and open to all those who
identify themselves, for continuing a conversation on
a more real life basis without the fantasy people.
This almost happens with private group E-mails as we
have just seen recently.

With these two types of forums, one receives all the
benefits of an open discussion and a private
discussion. I do this on my web sites all the time.
There is a public section and a member section. Keeps
it simple. My opinion.

Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com

--- Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

> Derik says:
>
> "PS- I think that Sergio and Aron, Escady are being
> gracious to accept this "non person". I would not
> do
> it myself. I would urge them to reconsider, lest a
> bad precedent be set. "
>
> The truth is that this list allows the use of your
> real name or of any alias
> or pseudonym that you may want to use. It is
> organized in such a way that
> this is how it works.
>
> When I sign "Sergio Vandekier" you do not know if
> that is my real name or a
> pseudonym.
>
> There are many people that know me personally so
> they know that I am using
> my real name but I could be using the name Jack
> Thompson if I so wished, and
> everyone would be happy knowing that I am Jack.
>
> the use of a pseudonym has pros and cons. You
> remain anonymous when you
> have to discuss unpopular matters or when you have
> to disagree with people
> that may resent you for doing so but then you cannot
> receive credit for what
> contributions you are making.
>
> ATOF is another tango list, it was created in such a
> way that you must use
> your real name. It was created in the mid 90s. I do
> not know if anything has
> changed since then.
>
> Tango-L used to have moderators that scrutinized the
> messages that were sent
> . If a note was considered to be at fault, because
> it contained non tango
> material, or because it was attacking somebody or
> more commonly included
> prior messages or long parts of prior notes, then
> that message would be
> rejected and the author would be placed on
> probation, which meant that your
> notes would not be published till the moderator saw
> them. This normally
> meant that your note appeared several days later or
> even worse: never.
>
> Many valuable contributors to the list would stop
> writing because of this,
> as they felt unjustly singled out.
>
> Those that dedicated time and effort as moderators
> received in exchange for
> their honorary work mostly ingratitude and
> frequently hatred. Nobody wanted
> to be a moderator. So finally the list became
> unmoderated.
>
> This is the best that could have happened, amazingly
> enough the notes became
> more respectful and considerate, there has been some
> degree of self restrain
> that may not have been present before.
>
> From time to time an obnoxious entity appears, so no
> big deal, you place his
> name in delete automatically and you never have to
> see his notes.
>
> I really believe that the present arrangement is the
> best possible one.
>
> Summary: a person using a pseudonym is not
> infringing any of the rules of
> Tango-L.
>
>
> it now!
>
>
>

Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:40:51 EDT
From: Bill King <Euroking@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Pseudonyms - Anonimity- a Differnent Perspective.

I have posted a couple of times but am new to the list and relatively new to
Tango. I enjoy reading the posts as they give me insight into the dance, its
history and the cultural surrounding it. I chose to post under my real name for
many reasons, but primarily because I could not think of a reason to hide.

I have enjoyed tremendously reading, well almost everything, however I find I
have control over what I read and it doesn't matter who wrote it. In fact, I
don't know any of you. I am learning about you from reading what you write,
but the fact remains, I don't know you by name, real or not. I does not
matter, what matters is what you say and how you say it.

As time goes on I will learn who you are, or who I think you are, not by a
name or a tag but by the substance you deliver. That is the key; I don't need to
believe you, to understand why you say what you do, as we all have our
motivations and desires, some expressed, some hidden, some unknown even to us, but
that is what makes us who we are. I participate in this forum to learn and
understand something I am quickly developing an addiction for: Tango. Everyone,
as long as they are civil, regardless of their opinion, is a source of
information and in some cases inspiration. I need to see and read all sides to make
decisions. As for having time to read bullsh*t as one post said, as long as I
have access to the delete key, it is not a problem as one keystroke and the
message is gone.

As I said, I really do enjoy the opportunity, and it is what I consider a
privilege, to participate. All of you have been a help. Thank you.

Bill King
Seattle