4886 Pudding
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:11 +0100 (BST)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
> she doesn't just talk about it. She shows you what she means
> https://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BewitchingBlackLotus
Wow, yet another meaning of the word 'syncopated' (or 'synchopated', as
this lady prefers): with no regard to the rhythm of the music!
--
Chris
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*Subject:* [Tango-L] Pudding
*From:* "Fantasia Sorenson" <bichonheels@gmail.com>
*To:* "Tango-L List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
*Date:* Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:04:36 -0400
One of my favorite resources for women's dancing style is Jennifer Bratt's
website:
https://www.close-embrace.com/embellishmentarchive.html
She has a wealth of information about developing a nice style for
embellishments, how to do them well and how to use them tastefully. But she
doesn't just talk about it. She shows you what she means by posting detailed
illustrative examples on YouTube. She embeds them in the tutorials above.
Here's her member site on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BewitchingBlackLotus
No dry theory here! She can do it and she shows you what she means.
The only useful exercise I get from Tango-L posts about technique is for my
mouse-clicking finger when I click "delete". Discussions about dance
technique tend to get very rarified very fast. Then they devolve into a
debate over choice of words. Not much in it for me and my dancing.
Now, far be it from to suggest that anyone in particular might not know what
he or she is talking about! But in the absence of an illustration, I just
don't understand what's going on.
Fortunately, in today's tango world there is now YouTube. There's no excuse
for telling without showing. You with the ankles and you with the knees and
you with the beat and you with the half-beat and all the others with this,
that, and the other heel walk and toe walk...
Let's see it!
C'mon, who doesn't have a video camera anymore. Probably a lot of us can
even shoot video with our telephones. If you have a great idea, take 15
minutes to shoot it and post it on YouTube. Then give us the link on the
list. In YouTube others can even post video replies. If it's worth knowing,
then it has to be worth seeing. Dance it!
Give it up guys. Let's see your stuff.
... Fan pulls up a chair ...
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:57:10 -0400
From: "Fantasia Sorenson" <bichonheels@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: "Tango-L List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
<b0a530950704171357n1c92dcc7r7ac682c7522e307d@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:11 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
>
> > she doesn't just talk about it. She shows you what she means
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BewitchingBlackLotus
>
> Wow, yet another meaning of the word 'syncopated' (or 'synchopated', as
> this lady prefers): with no regard to the rhythm of the music!
>
> --
> Chris
Didn't I call it? This is what I said in my original post.
> Discussions about dance ... devolve into a
> debate over choice of words. Not much in it for me and my dancing.
It only took one post to spark a debate over orthography. I couldn't care
less about how Jennifer spells tango terms. Can she dance? Clearly!
Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
Notice, I'm not challenging your statement, Chris, I'm just waiting for you
to show me what you mean.
... Fan gets a cushion; needs a softer chair while she waits ...
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:17:56 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: Fantasia Sorenson <bichonheels@gmail.com>, "tango-l@mit.edu"
<tango-l@mit.edu>
Fan,
Indeed you called it. For myself, thank you very much for the first truly productive and creative suggestion on the list in a long time. I too tire of the endless quibbling about definitions of words, which is what most of the disagreements seem to be at their core. Yet the Tango-L forum is potentially a vast resource, with combined total of many thousands of years of tango dancing experience, if only there were an efficient way of transmitting the benefit of that experience to everyone on the list. Voila! Pictures/videos, worth infinitely more than words alone. YouTube is a perfect, creative solution. Thank you again.
J TangoMoments.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:57:10 -0400> From: bichonheels@gmail.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding> > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:11 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:34 +0100 (BST)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
> > > no regard to the rhythm of the music!
> Didn't I call it?
No, Fan, you called "a nice style for embellishments, how to do them well
and how to use them tastefully". You are of course welcome to your opinion.
> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
"Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like that. But if you want a
demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of the music, see this
recent clip posted by Igor:
Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
Gorgeous. Thanks again Igor.
--
Chris
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*Subject:* Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
*From:* "Fantasia Sorenson" <bichonheels@gmail.com>
*To:* "Tango-L List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
*Date:* Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:57:10 -0400
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:11 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
>
> > she doesn't just talk about it. She shows you what she means
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BewitchingBlackLotus
>
> Wow, yet another meaning of the word 'syncopated' (or 'synchopated', as
> this lady prefers): with no regard to the rhythm of the music!
>
> --
> Chris
Didn't I call it? This is what I said in my original post.
> Discussions about dance ... devolve into a
> debate over choice of words. Not much in it for me and my dancing.
It only took one post to spark a debate over orthography. I couldn't care
less about how Jennifer spells tango terms. Can she dance? Clearly!
Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
Notice, I'm not challenging your statement, Chris, I'm just waiting for you
to show me what you mean.
... Fan gets a cushion; needs a softer chair while she waits ...
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:55:47 -0400
From: "Fantasia Sorenson" <bichonheels@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: "Tango-L List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
<b0a530950704171555g2acb7696hf6f75332bff88266@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:34 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
>
> > > > no regard to the rhythm of the music!
> > Didn't I call it?
>
> No, Fan, you called "a nice style for embellishments, how to do them well
> and how to use them tastefully". You are of course welcome to your
> opinion.
By "call it" I wasn't referring to my evaluation of the videos, I was
referring to the immediate appearance of a post that nitpicked the spelling
of a tango term rather than contributing anything that could actually help
me with my dancing.
> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
>
> "Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like that.
Chris, your post stated that Jennifer's videos showed no regard for the
rhythm of the music. Have you an interest in illustrating what you mean? If
it doesn't work like that, how does it work? Show me what you mean.
But if you want a
> demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of the music, see this
> recent clip posted by Igor:
>
> Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
But not by referring to someone ELSE'S video. If you have something to say
about the deficiencies of someone else's dancing, then I am very interested
in seeing YOU in a video. Let's see YOU, dear.
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:03:00 -0600
From: "Clif Davis" <clif@clifdavis.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: "'Tango-L List'" <tango-l@mit.edu>
I am curious, is there anything that posted here that won't start a
bickering conflict? I really get tired of it.
Or maybe everyone here likes to get caught up in drama because they think
Tango requires it?
I enjoy the technical parts of all conversations but being so critical all
the time is both petty and boring.
After 30 years in martial arts, I got sick of "who's style is more real" and
left. I may have to do it with Tango also. Or at least all Tango list.
Clif
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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:56 PM
To: Tango-L List
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:34 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
>
> > > > no regard to the rhythm of the music!
> > Didn't I call it?
>
> No, Fan, you called "a nice style for embellishments, how to do them well
> and how to use them tastefully". You are of course welcome to your
> opinion.
By "call it" I wasn't referring to my evaluation of the videos, I was
referring to the immediate appearance of a post that nitpicked the spelling
of a tango term rather than contributing anything that could actually help
me with my dancing.
> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
>
> "Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like that.
Chris, your post stated that Jennifer's videos showed no regard for the
rhythm of the music. Have you an interest in illustrating what you mean? If
it doesn't work like that, how does it work? Show me what you mean.
But if you want a
> demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of the music, see this
> recent clip posted by Igor:
>
> Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
But not by referring to someone ELSE'S video. If you have something to say
about the deficiencies of someone else's dancing, then I am very interested
in seeing YOU in a video. Let's see YOU, dear.
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: Fantasia Sorenson <bichonheels@gmail.com>, Tango-L List
<tango-l@mit.edu>
Fan, sorry you aren't able to process words in the same way as others. But if you're willing to dig out that checkbook of yours and send everyone video cameras, I am sure folks would be happy to oblige your needs to learn visually.
Trini de Pittsburgh who can't afford a video camera, cell phone, cable TV, or wireless (and was dialup until 6 months ago)
Fantasia Sorenson <bichonheels@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:34 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK wrote:
>
> > > > no regard to the rhythm of the music!
> > Didn't I call it?
>
> No, Fan, you called "a nice style for embellishments, how to do them well
> and how to use them tastefully". You are of course welcome to your
> opinion.
By "call it" I wasn't referring to my evaluation of the videos, I was
referring to the immediate appearance of a post that nitpicked the spelling
of a tango term rather than contributing anything that could actually help
me with my dancing.
> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
>
> "Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like that.
Chris, your post stated that Jennifer's videos showed no regard for the
rhythm of the music. Have you an interest in illustrating what you mean? If
it doesn't work like that, how does it work? Show me what you mean.
But if you want a
> demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of the music, see this
> recent clip posted by Igor:
>
> Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
But not by referring to someone ELSE'S video. If you have something to say
about the deficiencies of someone else's dancing, then I am very interested
in seeing YOU in a video. Let's see YOU, dear.
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:26:49 -0600
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz@tango.org>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
Taking a page from Kos.
Dulce de Leche is pretty easy to make starting with a can of
sweetened condensed milk. You boil it for two or three hours, and
then spoon it onto your flan.
Now, Speaking of pudding, does anyone have a good recipe for Flan?
I have a feeling that responding to Chris's posts with recipes may
allow us to create a culinary cookbook.
On Apr 17, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Chris, UK wrote:
>>>> no regard to the rhythm of the music!
>> Didn't I call it?
>
> No, Fan, you called "a nice style for embellishments, how to do
> them well
> and how to use them tastefully". You are of course welcome to your
> opinion.
>
>> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the
>> music.
>
> "Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like that. But if you want a
> demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of the music, see this
> recent clip posted by Igor:
>
> Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
>
> Gorgeous. Thanks again Igor.
>
> --
> Chris
>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32 +0100 (BST)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
Fan, when I make a set of videos of me demoing women's embellishments, I
promise I'll be sure to tell you first.
Chris
> the deficiencies of someone else's dancing
PS Anyone who thinks ochos against a wall is "dancing" has spent way too
much money on technique workshops.
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*Subject:* Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
*From:* "Fantasia Sorenson" <bichonheels@gmail.com>
*To:* "Tango-L List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
*Date:* Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:55:47 -0400
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:34 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
>
> > > > no regard to the rhythm of the music!
> > Didn't I call it?
>
> No, Fan, you called "a nice style for embellishments, how to do them well
> and how to use them tastefully". You are of course welcome to your
> opinion.
By "call it" I wasn't referring to my evaluation of the videos, I was
referring to the immediate appearance of a post that nitpicked the spelling
of a tango term rather than contributing anything that could actually help
me with my dancing.
> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
>
> "Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like that.
Chris, your post stated that Jennifer's videos showed no regard for the
rhythm of the music. Have you an interest in illustrating what you mean? If
it doesn't work like that, how does it work? Show me what you mean.
But if you want a
> demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of the music, see this
> recent clip posted by Igor:
>
> Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
But not by referring to someone ELSE'S video. If you have something to say
about the deficiencies of someone else's dancing, then I am very interested
in seeing YOU in a video. Let's see YOU, dear.
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: Tom Stermitz <stermitz@tango.org>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
FLAN
Here is a very rich version. It can be made in one
9X9 pan instead of the ramekins. However, you must be
an adept FOLLOWER with this recipe!
nancy
--- Tom Stermitz <stermitz@tango.org> wrote:
> Taking a page from Kos.
>
> Dulce de Leche is pretty easy to make starting with
> a can of
> sweetened condensed milk. You boil it for two or
> three hours, and
> then spoon it onto your flan.
>
> Now, Speaking of pudding, does anyone have a good
> recipe for Flan?
>
> I have a feeling that responding to Chris's posts
> with recipes may
> allow us to create a culinary cookbook.
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Chris, UK wrote:
>
> >>>> no regard to the rhythm of the music!
> >> Didn't I call it?
> >
> > No, Fan, you called "a nice style for
> embellishments, how to do
> > them well
> > and how to use them tastefully". You are of course
> welcome to your
> > opinion.
> >
> >> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe
> the rhythm of the
> >> music.
> >
> > "Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like
> that. But if you want a
> > demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of
> the music, see this
> > recent clip posted by Igor:
> >
> > Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
> >
> > Gorgeous. Thanks again Igor.
> >
> > --
> > Chris
> >
>
>
<<Rito es la danza en tu vida
y el tango que tu amas
te quema en su llama>>
de: Bailarina de tango
por: Horacio Sanguinetti
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:29:00 -0700 (MST)
From: Huck Kennedy <huck@eninet.eas.asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Fan writes:
> Chris, UK <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
> > But if you want a demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest)
> > of the music, see this recent clip posted by Igor:
> >
> > Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
>
> But not by referring to someone ELSE'S video. If you have something to say
> about the deficiencies of someone else's dancing, then I am very interested
> in seeing YOU in a video. Let's see YOU, dear.
"...And while you're at it putting your video together,
since I'm on a roll, you tell that know-it-all pal of
yours Clive Barnes that if he knows so much about what
is and what isn't good acting, let's see him haul his
fat arse up on stage and do a soliloquy or two!"
Huck
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:53:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: Club~Tango*La Dolce Vita~ <dani@tango-la-dolce-vita.eu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: Clif Davis <clif@clifdavis.com>, Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>
Hi Clif,
What drama???!!!
After 35 years at Wado-Ryu karate (I started as a young child, I hasten to add!) I have to say - nay, I INSIST!!! - that Wdo-Ryu is THE BEST and "MORE REAL" style of karate!!! OK???!!!
Wanna start???!!!
Dani
>:-)))))))))
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 1:03:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
I am curious, is there anything that posted here that won't start a
bickering conflict? I really get tired of it.
Or maybe everyone here likes to get caught up in drama because they think
Tango requires it?
I enjoy the technical parts of all conversations but being so critical all
the time is both petty and boring.
After 30 years in martial arts, I got sick of "who's style is more real" and
left. I may have to do it with Tango also. Or at least all Tango list.
Clif
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:56 PM
To: Tango-L List
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:34 +0100 (BST), Chris, UK <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
>
> > > > no regard to the rhythm of the music!
> > Didn't I call it?
>
> No, Fan, you called "a nice style for embellishments, how to do them well
> and how to use them tastefully". You are of course welcome to your
> opinion.
By "call it" I wasn't referring to my evaluation of the videos, I was
referring to the immediate appearance of a post that nitpicked the spelling
of a tango term rather than contributing anything that could actually help
me with my dancing.
> Now, post your demo of how correctly to observe the rhythm of the music.
>
> "Correctly"? "Observe"?? It doesn't work like that.
Chris, your post stated that Jennifer's videos showed no regard for the
rhythm of the music. Have you an interest in illustrating what you mean? If
it doesn't work like that, how does it work? Show me what you mean.
But if you want a
> demo of great dancing to the rhythm (and rest) of the music, see this
> recent clip posted by Igor:
>
> Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
But not by referring to someone ELSE'S video. If you have something to say
about the deficiencies of someone else's dancing, then I am very interested
in seeing YOU in a video. Let's see YOU, dear.
The proof is in the pudding.
Fan
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:10:21 -0400
From: "Jake Spatz (TangoDC.com)" <spatz@tangoDC.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Pudding for breakfast
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Dearest Puddinheads,
Jay Rabe wrote:
> Fan, [...] thank you very much for the first truly productive and creative suggestion on the list in a long time
Since when did inciting people to watch TV become either "productive" or
"creative"?
> Pictures/videos, worth infinitely more than words alone.
What about words with sense?
I hate to burst y'all's bubble here, but that threadbare "picture =
1,000 words" bit only comes true for visual descriptions. I'm afraid it
especially doesn't apply to the kinesthesia of dance.
> YouTube is a perfect, creative solution.
For marketing: sure. For the pure fun of documenting & sharing
performances and shorts: bring it on. For learning-- give me a goddamn
break.
That's the kind of argument I would've put forward, insincerely, when I
was twelve.
Chris, UK wrote:
> Anyone who thinks ochos against a wall is "dancing" has spent way too
> much money on technique workshops.
Come now: That's unfair to those of us who teach technique. For $10,
I'll tell you to practice ochos without even a refrigerator.
Clif Davis wrote:
> I am curious, is there anything that posted here that won't start a
> bickering conflict?
>
You call this bickering? :-)
> I enjoy the technical parts of all conversations but being so critical all the time is both petty and boring.
Clif, this is an online forum. It is supposed to be petty and boring.
Besides, being all magnanimous & exciting in blind emails gets caught by
spam filters. Just think of all those Nigerian bankers with US funds who
can't get through to you.
Fantasia Sorenson wrote:
> By "call it" I wasn't referring to my evaluation of the videos, I was
> referring to the immediate appearance of a post that nitpicked the spelling of a tango term [...]
(No irony here, folks...)
> rather than contributing anything that could actually help me with my dancing.
I do believe Chris indicated what sync(h)opation isn't; and also sent
you a link to something he considers a fine model; and also argued that
a solo video demonstrating something belonging to a partner dance is a
little odd. If none of that is of any help to you whatsoever, I wonder
what would be.
> [...] in the absence of an illustration, I just don't understand what's going on.
>
Most people don't _understand_ anything in the presence of one either,
mind you.
> You with the ankles and you with the knees and you with the beat and you with the half-beat and all the others with this, that, and the other heel walk and toe walk...
>
> Let's see it!
>
What is this, the fucking Girl Scouts?
> If it's worth knowing, then it has to be worth seeing.
I've got it. Why don't you get a partner, dance in front of Your damn
camera, send the shit to me, and I'll give you some commentary directly.
Once-- just to illustrate the difference between looking with your eyes
and looking with your mind.
> The proof is in the pudding.
>
But the deal's off if you deploy one more blasted cliche.
Tom Stermitz wrote:
> Dulce de Leche is pretty easy to make starting with a can of
> sweetened condensed milk. You boil it for two or three hours
>
Um, no. You _simmer_ the liquid, preferably in a _double boiler_ if
you're using sweetened condensed milk. If you're going to boil it the
whole time, you should keep it in the can, punch a hole in the lid, and
make sure (a) the top isn't covered by water, and (b) the thing don't
explode. But good luck with That.
> I have a feeling that responding to Chris's posts with recipes may
> allow us to create a culinary cookbook.
>
At this rate you might get a cookbook, but I'm not sure it'll be
culinary. :-)
Jake Spatz
DC
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:16:29 -0600
From: Clif Davis <clif@clifdavis.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: Daniel Iannarelli <daniel.iannarelli@btinternet.com>
Cc: Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>
Hi Dani, and being from North Texas and having first trained in Germany
(1965) and then in South East Asia (1968) with some really crazy Korean
guys (ROK) and finally coming back to the insane world of Pat Burleson
blood and guts Texas Karate, I except that challenge.
I do know that I wish I had known body mechanics as much then as I do
now, I would have been a much better fighter. And now that I am teaching
MA again, I feel lucky to have the skill dance has given me to pass on
to the new fighters I am training.
Clif
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:13:54 -0400
From: Jeff Gaynor <jjg@jqhome.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Pudding
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
Clif Davis wrote:
>Hi Dani, and being from North Texas and having first trained in Germany
>(1965) and then in South East Asia (1968) with some really crazy Korean
>guys (ROK) and finally coming back to the insane world of Pat Burleson
>blood and guts Texas Karate, I except that challenge.
>
>I do know that I wish I had known body mechanics as much then as I do
>now, I would have been a much better fighter. And now that I am teaching
>MA again, I feel lucky to have the skill dance has given me to pass on
>to the new fighters I am training.
>
>
>
Hah! Both of you are blinded by your impact-based systems and therefore
lamentably chained to open embrace! I do jujutsu and have for a couple
of decades so I can use my grappling skills to do the one pure apilado
style.
May I propose a new, bold direction in tango fusion, say with a UFC
smackdown? :-P
Cheers,
Jeff
(Proving that if you want you can pick a stupid fight about anything.
Actually there are a fair number of martial artists on the list which is
pretty groovy. Can we get back to dancing?)
