5426 Question on Gardel
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:48:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I cant remember one single milonga playing tangos with
Gardel's voice. Not
once!
Given his prominence as a singer in the tango world I
would expect hear his
voice in every milongas at least in one tanda.
I admit I have very limited experience with tango, so
maybe I am just
missing the obvious.
Anyone with any ideas?
-----Original Message-----
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:15 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
> I cant remember one single milonga playing tangos with Gardel's voice.
I've played Gardel... as a curtain ;)
Gardel's tangos are rarely played for dancing. This is out of respect...
...for dancers!
--
Chris
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:37:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
Wow! I love focussing on the voice as I dance and I
love dancing to Gardel. Matter of fact, I feel as
though I offer a more beautiful dance to my follower
when I dance to Gardel.
--- "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
> > I cant remember one single milonga playing tangos
> with Gardel's voice.
>
> I've played Gardel... as a curtain ;)
>
> Gardel's tangos are rarely played for dancing. This
> is out of respect...
>
> ...for dancers!
>
> --
> Chris
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:40 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
Where is this milonga that plays Gardel for dancing?
> Wow! I love focussing on the voice as I dance and I
> love dancing to Gardel. Matter of fact, I feel as
> though I offer a more beautiful dance to my follower
> when I dance to Gardel.
--
Chris
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:35:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
To: ceverett@ceverett.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Chris,
Thank you very much for this info. I learned
something new today.
Amaury
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:36 PM
To: amaurycdsf@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
Amaury,
Dancing to Gardel's music is considered a serious
insult to his
memory, almost on the order of sitting down for the
Argentine
National Anthem. It's definitely music for serious
listening.
Gardel is a revered national hero of Argentina since
his death
over 70 years ago. If you say the "Carlito" everyone
in Ba
knows who you are talking about, and in fact there is
still a
dance step named after him (from his movie
appearances) called
the "Gardelito".
Then again, none of it would be considered really
danceable.
Consider how little music from before 1935 is played
at the
milongas.
Christopher
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:48:56 -0800 (PST), "Amaury de
Siqueira"
<amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
> I cant remember one single milonga playing tangos
with
> Gardel's voice. Not
> once!
>
>
> Given his prominence as a singer in the tango world
I
> would expect hear his
> voice in every milongas at least in one tanda.
>
> I admit I have very limited experience with tango,
so
> maybe I am just
> missing the obvious.
>
> Anyone with any ideas?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu
> [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Tango For Her
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:17 AM
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] tango schizophrenia
>
> >
> > That is really good advice TFH, but those things
are
> > all about dancing well, not about developing your
> > own particular style (whatever that might mean).
If
> > you are aspiring to develop an individual style, I
> > think it is assumed you can already dance tango
> > confidently.
> >
> > Victor Bennetts
> >
>
> Actually, I have always been told, since those
> lessons, that I have a style of soft tango that
noone
> else has (in the places that I have danced). So, I
> was trying to relate that my style really did emerge
> from finding the right teachers and working on what
I
> wanted. Well, except for the second teacher who was
> one of those geniuses (not just in tango) that you
> come across once in a great while. So, anything
that
> he said, I wanted to hear.
>
> I already danced well before the lessons. But, I
> AFTER those lessons, followers always comment on my
> style.
>
> I am proud that my followers comment on how balanced
> they are and the exactness of my lead. That came
from
> my first set of lessons.
>
> I know that I am free from thinking in terms of
> patterns. That was distinctly from my second set of
> lessons.
>
> I am extremely happy that I receive comments about
the
> softness of my tango. That was, most definitely,
from
> my third set of lessons.
>
> So, my advice about developing your own style is to
> find the greatest tango minds that you can, shell
out
> the bucks, put your chest on theirs in private
> lessons, and do what they say!
>
> Those lessons were close to 10 years ago. Good
close
> embrace private lessons definitely do have a lasting
> effect.
>
> ... Actually, I if it is nuevo tango, exchange of
lead
> and follow, or something of that nature that you
want,
> then maybe the close embrace aspect wouldn't apply.
I
> am just saying that I developed the style that I
> wanted through these lessons. The original posting
> asked for examples.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:37:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Andrew RYSER SZYMA?SKI <arrabaltango@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
To: amaurycdsf@yahoo.com
Cc: ceverett@ceverett.com, tango-l@mit.edu
Amaury & Chris
The popular misconception re Gardel is well
illustrated by Chris's contribution. But the real
reason you cannot dance to Gardel is due to his very
peculiar approach to rhythm. He use a very individual
form of rubato [push & pull] resulting in the same
beat being in two different places in time, a fraction
of a second apart. Furthermore he does this using a
lot of anticipation. This creates much dramatic
tension in the music.
Delayed rubato dancers can cope with to some extent,
but anticipated rubato makes them look like idiots,
and whatever they do, they will feel, & look, out of
time [unless, of course, they are totally
insensitive.....].
Gardel did to the tango what Chopin did to the waltz,
mazurka, polonaise &c...: he made it undanceable. If
you try to dance to a Chopin waltz played with the
right kind of rubato [say by Rubinstein] you will keep
getting lost, but the music will be wonderful.
However, you would be able to dance to it if some
incompetent plodder plays it squarely on the beat [as
they often do in dance studios....] but the music
would be diabolically flat & boring.
Indeed, what is traditionally -and again, erroneously-
portrayed as the champion of "concert hall tango",
Astor Piazzolla, is 100X more danceable than Gardel
-especially for beginners!
Cheers,
Andy.
--- Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Thank you very much for this info. I learned
> something new today.
>
> Amaury
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ceverett@ceverett.com
> [mailto:ceverett@ceverett.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:36 PM
> To: amaurycdsf@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Question on Gardel
>
> Amaury,
>
> Dancing to Gardel's music is considered a serious
> insult to his
> memory, almost on the order of sitting down for the
> Argentine
> National Anthem. It's definitely music for serious
> listening.
>
> Gardel is a revered national hero of Argentina since
> his death
> over 70 years ago. If you say the "Carlito"
> everyone
> in Ba
> knows who you are talking about, and in fact there
> is
> still a
> dance step named after him (from his movie
> appearances) called
> the "Gardelito".
>
> Then again, none of it would be considered really
> danceable.
> Consider how little music from before 1935 is played
> at the
> milongas.
>
> Christopher
>
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:48:56 -0800 (PST), "Amaury de
> Siqueira"
> <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> said:
> >
> >
> > I cant remember one single milonga playing tangos
> with
> > Gardel's voice. Not
> > once!
> >
> >
> > Given his prominence as a singer in the tango
> world
> I
> > would expect hear his
> > voice in every milongas at least in one tanda.
> >
> > I admit I have very limited experience with tango,
> so
> > maybe I am just
> > missing the obvious.
> >
> > Anyone with any ideas?
> >
Andrew W. RYSER SZYMA?SKI,
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