2904 Rockin' waltzes
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:05:50 -0700
From: Trini or Sean - PATangoS <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Rockin' waltzes
Was listening to Jim Croce's Greatest Hits and was surprised to recognize his classic "Time In a Bottle" as a waltz. Anyone else aware of other waltzes in classic pop hits?
Trini de Pittsburgh
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:24:33 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
Let's see... I believe Billy Joel's "Piano Man" is a waltz, "Morning
is Broken" by Cat Stevens (really old song/lyrics, from a church hymn I
think, 1700s), that Titanic song by Celine Dion "Heart will go On",
"Annie's Song' by John Denver, "Carribean Blue" by Enya. All Vienesse
Waltzes should work splendidly for Tango. That song "Amore/Pizza Pie"
by Dean Martin is a waltz?
.
I'd like to add Tandas of: Color Tango, Los Reyes, high-fi Sassone,
Troilo, DeAngelis, DiSarli, Alberto DiPaulo, Canaro Waltzes, Pugliese to
the "How to Sequence Tandas" thread. Its very refreshing to dance to
post-Golden age music, this is such beautiful music when the sound quality
is really high & in stereo.
The 3 Alternative Milongas were very well attended at Tangofest. Heard
Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" on Saturday, great song for Tango.
.
Met Manuel Patino on Sunday afternoon, after the Supervised Practica at
the Norse Hall. Great guy! Really funny & knowledgable. I thought he'd
be a really old geezer or something & its not the case...
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:26:50 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
Hail Rick & well met!
It was really nice putting the faces & postings together ;-). I too was
pleased to meet Rick as well as Peter. Great guys and lots of fun. This is
one of the great things about attending these events. Not only we get a
chance to some great dancing but get to meet all kinds of nice folks! I
cannot personally greet all the people I met & chatted with in this post but
I definitely remember and value all our meetings and conversations. :-)
I'm not opposed to the concept of alternative milongas (might as well be
opposed to the concept of dawn following the night). Anyway, I also agree
that the sound quality of newer recordings is really nice. Still, to my ears
and my feelings, there is no way to beat the Golden Era tangos for dancing
the traditional way. BTW, the late night milonga Sat night had some
fantastic quality sound and wonderful classic tango music. I spoke to the DJ
and asked him about his equipment and format becuase I was really impressed
by the quality of his D'Agostino & Vargas recordings. I think he attributed
the great sound to his choice of file compression. He did not use MP3
compression but WMA (?). Anyway, great stuff. I'm going to adopt the same
format to my DJ'ing methods.
Greetings to all the nice ppl who came to the Portland TangoFest. Great job
Clay!!
Manuel
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
>Let's see... I believe Billy Joel's "Piano Man" is a waltz, "Morning
>is Broken" by Cat Stevens (really old song/lyrics, from a church hymn I
>think, 1700s), that Titanic song by Celine Dion "Heart will go On",
>"Annie's Song' by John Denver, "Carribean Blue" by Enya. All Vienesse
>Waltzes should work splendidly for Tango. That song "Amore/Pizza Pie"
>by Dean Martin is a waltz?
>.
>I'd like to add Tandas of: Color Tango, Los Reyes, high-fi Sassone,
>Troilo, DeAngelis, DiSarli, Alberto DiPaulo, Canaro Waltzes, Pugliese to
>the "How to Sequence Tandas" thread. Its very refreshing to dance to
>post-Golden age music, this is such beautiful music when the sound quality
>is really high & in stereo.
>The 3 Alternative Milongas were very well attended at Tangofest. Heard
>Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" on Saturday, great song for Tango.
>.
>Met Manuel Patino on Sunday afternoon, after the Supervised Practica at
>the Norse Hall. Great guy! Really funny & knowledgable. I thought he'd
>be a really old geezer or something & its not the case...
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:56:50 +1000
From: Chanop Silpa-Anan <chanop@MAIL.RSISE.ANU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
Many techno geeks do agree that the best lossy format is OGG vorbis,
a free and open format; however, it is not widely adopted. IMO, once
we use a high enough bit-rate and a good compressor -- LAME for MP3,
vorbis-tools for OGG, and Quicktime/FAAC for AAC for example, at 192 VBR
& up -- any difference in quality only exists to a trained pair of ears.
Chanop
Vorbis homepage https://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/
On a good day of Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:26:50PM -0400, WHITE 95 R wrote
> I spoke to the DJ
> and asked him about his equipment and format becuase I was really impressed
> by the quality of his D'Agostino & Vargas recordings. I think he attributed
> the great sound to his choice of file compression. He did not use MP3
> compression but WMA (?). Anyway, great stuff. I'm going to adopt the same
> format to my DJ'ing methods.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:45:03 -0400
From: Tuan Tran <tuan35@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
Hi Trini,
Here are a few more:
James Taylor: Sweet Baby James
Enya: Caribbean Blue
Talking Heads: Dream Operator
Seal: Kiss from a Rose
Kate Bush: Army Dreamers
Tuan
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To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Rockin' waltzes
Was listening to Jim Croce's Greatest Hits and was surprised to
recognize his classic "Time In a Bottle" as a waltz. Anyone else aware
of other waltzes in classic pop hits?
Trini de Pittsburgh
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social
dance. https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:20:08 -0400
From: white95r <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
Hmmm... maybe the quality of my MP3's suffers from the lower quality of the
compressor I use? I'm using the Musicmatch program to rip the CDs into MP3
files. I have noticed that the sound is very bad at anything below 120 bit
compression. However, I have not noticed the higher bit rates to produce
discernibly higher quality. I even purchased an extrenal sound card for my
lapton but still the sound quality I get from my MP3's is not quite as good
as wath I heard Saturday night. I don't think he was even using a sound card
other than whatever his laptop had internally. Any sugesstions to improve
quality?
----- Original Message -----
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:18:34 -0400
From: Michael Dean Goodman <tantra@CHEERFUL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
> Trini or Sean - PATangoS <patangos@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
> Was listening to Jim Croce's Greatest Hits and was surprised to
> recognize his classic "Time In a Bottle" as a waltz. Anyone
> else aware of other waltzes in classic pop hits?
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
Dear Trini,
You asked about waltzes. Here are some that are fun to dance to and that I've
used when I DJ dances. Some are by famous performers, some are more obscure.
There are lots of musical genres represented: easy-listening, rock, pop, movie
music, new age, country, cajun/zydecko, Latin, gypsy, motown, blues, Irish,
classical, standards, folk, bluegrass - take your pick; there are so many
wonderful flavors of life to dance to.
*** Viennese Waltz Tempo ***
Song Title, time, Album, Composer/Performer, (beats/minute)
Main Title, 2:41, Doctor Zhivago, Maurice Jarre, (132-180 varies)
Yes I Am, 4:23, Yes I Am, Melissa Etheridge, (160)
Sventytski's Waltz, 2:20, Doctor Zhivago, Maurice Jarre, (196 varies)
Sad Eyed Lady Of the Low Lands, 11:20, Blonde On Blonde, Bob Dylan
Annie's Song, 3:01, Rocky Mountain Collection, John Denver
I Have Nothing, 4:50, The Bodyguard, Whitney Houston
Nice To Meet You, 3:20, Devotion, Yanni
On The Beautiful Blue Danube, 10:08, ?, Strauss, F.
Morning Has Broken, 3:18, Cat Stevens Classics, Cat Stevens
Witness, 4:47, Surfacing, Sarah McLachlan, (132)
I Wear Your Love, 4:13, Time Passes By, Kathy Mattea, (140)
Judy And Jim's Wedding, 3:10, StringDancer, StringDancer, (140)
Reflections Of Passion, 3:43, Live At The Acropolis, Yanni, (140)
Streciak, 2:24, StringDancer, StringDancer, (140)
The Ballad Of Sally Rose, 2:47, The Ballad Of Sally Rose, Emmylou Harris,
(140)
Destiny, 4:50, Destiny, Gloria Estefan, (140) Latin
Have You Ever Loved A Woman, 4:51, Love Songs From The Movies, (142)
Flora's Secret, 4:07, A Day Without Rain, Enya, (144)
One Short Life, 5:12, Southland Of The Heart, Maria Muldaur, (144)
The Eagle And The Hawk, 2:10, Rocky Mountain Collection, John Denver, (152)
The Times They Are A-Changin', 3:13, Biograph, Bob Dylan, (156)
Two Thousand Years, 5:20, River Of Dreams, Billy Joel, (156)
Nights In White Satin, 4:27, The Best of The Moody Blues, The Moody Blues,
(160)
To Ramona, 3:54, Biograph, Bob Dylan, (168)
Duende, 4:18, Gipsy Kings, Gipsy Kings, (172)
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away, 2:44, Anthology 2, The Beatles, (180)
Dorothy, 3:28, Dr. John Plays Mac Rebennack, Dr. John
Change Is Gonna Come, 4:20, I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You, Aretha
Franklin
Dr. Feelgood, 3:23, I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You, Aretha Franklin
Drown In My Own Tears, 4:07, I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You, Aretha
Franklin
Sehilam, 6:24, Djam Leeli: The Adventurers, Baaba Maal & Mansour Seck
This Nearly Was Mine, 3:28, South Pacific, Ezio Pinza, (tempo varies)
Caesar's Waltz, 2:43, StringDancer, StringDancer, (156)
*** Ballroom Waltz Tempo (slower) ***
Song Title, time, Album, Composer/Performer, (beats/minute)
Allegheny Moon, 2:53, Golden Hits, Patti Page
Buachaill On Eirne, 3:08, Rogha: The Best Of Clannad, Clannad
Changing Partners, 2:58, Golden Hits, Patti Page
Could I Have This Dance, 3:16, Fifteen Of The Best, Anne Murray
Feel Like A Natural Woman, 3:58, Tapestry, Carole King
Go Now, 3:12, The Best of The Moody Blues, The Moody Blues
He, 2:35, Greatest Hits, The McGuire Sisters
Heart To Heart, 2:32, The Ballad Of Sally Rose, Emmylou Harris
Home, 5:15, Kenny G Live, Kenny G
House of the Rising Sun, 1:57, , Joan Baez
I'll Be All Smiles Tonight, 1:58, The Original Bluegrass Spectacular!, Buddy
Spicher
I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry, 3:07, Best of Oldies But Goodies Vol. 3, B. J.
Thomas
J'ai Passe Devant Ta Porte, 3:54, Michael Doucet & Cajun Brew, Michael Doucet
Seachran Charn Tsiail, 2:21, Rogha: The Best Of Clannad, Clannad
See See Rider, 2:38, Best Of The Capitol Years, Peggy Lee
Someday When We're Both Alone, 5:10, Southland Of The Heart, Maria Muldaur
Spiritual, 4:19, Steal Away: Spirituals , Hymns & Folk Songs, Charlie Haden &
Hank Jones
Starwood In Aspen, 3:07, Rocky Mountain Collection, John Denver
Still Crazy After All These Years, 3:22, Negotiations & Love Songs 1971-86,
Paul Simon
T M 'Mo Shui, 3:14, Rogha: The Best Of Clannad, Clannad
Tea-House Moon, 2:43, The Memory Of Trees, Enya
The End Of August, 4:54, In The Mirror, Yanni
Thios Fa 'n Chosta, 2:41, Rogha: The Best Of Clannad, Clannad
Three Times A Lady, 3:38, Back To Front, Lionel Richie
Till You Love Me, 3:53, Read My Mind, Reba McEntire
To Have And To Hold, 4:23, Don McLean's Greatest Hits, Don Mclean
Way Over Yonder, 4:44, Tapestry, Carole King
What Could Have Been, 3:45, Time Passes By, Kathy Mattea
Wild Child, 3:47, A Day Without Rain, Enya
With A Little Help From My Friends, 9:24, The Best Of Joe Cocker, Joe Cocker
You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman, 2:44, The Big Chill, Aretha Franklin
Blue Spanish Sky, 3:58, Heart Shaped World, Chris Isaak
China Roses, 4:49, The Memory Of Trees, Enya
The Memory of Trees, 4:19, The Memory Of Trees, Enya
Tenderly, 2:58, The Unforgettable Nat King Cole, Nat King Cole
Carino, 4:10, Eros, Chris Spheeris, (96)
Angel, 4:30, Surfacing, Sarah McLachlan, (114)
Enchantment, 3:54, In The Mirror, Yanni, (fast 120)
Dans La Louisiane, 4:08, Cajun & Zydeco Festival, Al Berard and The Basin
Brothers, (fast 132)
Weathered Inn Waltz, 3:02, StringDancer, StringDancer, (fast 136)
O Mio Babbino Caro, 3:17, Classical Erotica, Puccini, (varies)
Once You Had Gold, 3:18, The Memory Of Trees, Enya, (varies)
Respectfully,
Michael
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:57:11 +0200
From: Peter Turowski <tangopeter@GMX.DE>
Subject: Re: Sound quality / was:Rockin' waltzes
>Any sugesstions to improve
>quality?
First of all, you have to compare the output soundquality of your laptop
playing the CD with playing the ripped mp3 files.
If there is no difference between CD and mp3 and the quality is bad anyway,
you have a problem with your hardware. (e.g.soundchip or external soundcard)
If the CD output is OK and the mp3 output is bad, your ripping
method is the problem. Musicmatch sucks !
You need a program with the newest lame codec implemented,
it's the lame 3.96 encoder, e.g. MediaMonkey Version 2.2.2
https://www.mediamonkey.com
If you choose the following setting, even experts won't be able
to tell a CD from mp3:
-alt preset extreme-
VBR Quality 0
Samplerate 44100
The compression rate will be at about 1:5 / 1:8,
it depends on the source material. Sure, it saves disc space,
if you encode your CDs with 128 CBR (1:10) or lower, but
the quality could be pretty poor :-((
Don't try to save disc space, it doesn't pay !!
HTH
Peter
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:05:02 -0600
From: Bernhard Michaelis <bernhard@NATIVECHILD.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
have your compared speakers? changed the settings? (pop/classic/spoken
etc?) ran it through some filters? you can beef it up considerably, get
volume into flat recordings and make the old ones sound like the new
ones. I am also using a program called 'volume logic' which equalizes
the different recordings - the volume of tracks though recorded
differently is adjusted. You can spend considerable time on this and
can get lost in the possiblilities ;-) Look around, there's plenty of
software that will do the job.
Bernhard
> Hmmm... maybe the quality of my MP3's suffers from the lower quality
of the
> compressor I use?
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:05:07 -0600
From: Brian Dunn <brian@DANCEOFTHEHEART.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockin' waltzes
Thanks to Michael for that long fascinating list of "alternative tango"
waltzes (split up into tempo, as well! Fantastico...)
A couple more:
"Run for the Roses" - Dan Fogelberg's popular "Kentucky Derby" theme song -
"Norwegian Wood" - a fast Beatles waltz, with a tempo that will feel
familiar to tango dancers
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:22:38 +1000
From: Chanop Silpa-Anan <chanop@MAIL.RSISE.ANU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Sound quality / was:Rockin' waltzes
Great suggestion for the method Peter,
For my own usage, I have been using AAC with iTunes in the past. It it
is a good choice, I think, given the gears: powerbook & iPod and that
QuickTime MP3 encoder isn't quite as good as LAME one. I had once, last
year, heard and seen Sharna DJing with her powerbook at a milonga in
Providence. The sound quality was good, to my ear; still remembered
that the last song before leaving the milonga was Fresedo's classic,
Tigre viejo (or was it Derecho viejo?). There is an iTunes-LAME, a free
plugin that integrates well with its host, for OS X, but I haven't got
around to compare between LAME/MP3 and QuickTime/AAC yet. To my ears,
there is no significant difference betweeen 256 kps AAC format encoded
iTunes/Quicktime and raw uncompressed audio -- based on mid-range
Sennheiser 515 and 212 headphones. Moreover, check your source. Is your
souce material good enough before the compression? Keith has a number of
good examples at totango.net.
Cheers,
Chanop
On a good day of Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:57:11PM +0200, Peter Turowski wrote
> >Any sugesstions to improve
> >quality?
>
> First of all, you have to compare the output soundquality of your laptop
> playing the CD with playing the ripped mp3 files.
> If there is no difference between CD and mp3 and the quality is bad anyway,
> you have a problem with your hardware. (e.g.soundchip or external soundcard)
> If the CD output is OK and the mp3 output is bad, your ripping
> method is the problem. Musicmatch sucks !
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:59:38 -0700
From: Trini or Sean - PATangoS <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rockin' Waltzes
Thanks all for the waltz suggestions. It will be
interesting to see how the students in my vals class
handle these tunes tonight.
In mentally playing some of these tunes in my head,
I've come to a couple of conclusions:
1 - I need to listen to the radio more,
2 - Although I've used non-tango music to teach about
moving to the tango beat, the same probably won't be
as successful for vals (except for the Viennese waltz,
and such).
Currently, I feel propelled to do 1-2-3 in the
non-tango valses because it takes a little more effort
to hear the rhythm. But it's something to play with.
In the next couple of weeks, I'll compile the list and
add it to the Georgia Tech community webpages.
Happy Valsing,
Trini de Pittsburgh
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