4880  Salon again

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:51:14 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Salon again
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>

Here is Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
, if you haven't seen it yet.

Igor Polk

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Salon again
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Such grace, efficiency, and beauty of movement! I think in
the early days of tango in the States, an uninformed tango
audience missed these elements and instead focused on the
cool steps. It's a shame that the quality of movement
wasn't a focus in the early days. Lots of missed
opportunities to study these very important things with
Argentina's best.

Trini de Pittsburgh

--- Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:

> Here is Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
> , if you haven't seen it yet.
>
> Igor Polk
>
>

PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:48:48 -0700
From: L <casadepractica@pacbell.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] Fwd: Salon again
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Thanks to Igor for posting Mariela & Jorge's gorgeous performance at
my Milonga last September.

If you happen to be in the Los Angeles/Pasadena area this coming
weekend (April 14) you can see them
perform again. FMI, visit my website: www.casadepractia.com

Lynn



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> From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
> Date: April 12, 2007 8:34:36 PM PDT
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Salon again
>
> Such grace, efficiency, and beauty of movement! I think in
> the early days of tango in the States, an uninformed tango
> audience missed these elements and instead focused on the
> cool steps. It's a shame that the quality of movement
> wasn't a focus in the early days. Lots of missed
> opportunities to study these very important things with
> Argentina's best.
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
> --- Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
>> , if you haven't seen it yet.
>>
>> Igor Polk
>>
>>
>
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular
> social dance.
> https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:43:37 -0400
From: "WHITE 95 R" <white95r@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Salon again
To: patangos@yahoo.com, tango-l@mit.edu

I've always enjoyed and respected the tango ability of the best dancers. The
wonderful mastery of their dance is an inspiration to many of us. I think is
a shame that some people focus on the steps to the detriment of their
overall dance. However, I don't think people do this on purpose or that
teachers neglect to teach the elegance and musicality we all admire so much.
It's rather that people try to emulate those very wonderful qualities they
see in the professional couples. The problem is that they lack the natural
talent and years or practice that the best dancers possess. Naturally, all
that most people can do is to try to learn and mimic the steps that the
teacher performs....

Many of us in the tango community have for years tried to propagate the
tango by different means. We have brought many of the most talented
performers and teachers. We also travel all over the world to take lessons
and learn all we can from the dancers we admire so much. Granted, the
beautiful performances we see and admire are not necessarily appropriate in
a social dance setting in a crowded dance floor and actually, these
professional dancers adjust admirably and with complete ease to the milonga
setting. It's a shame that they are sometimes criticized for their talent
and skill just because some people who have taken a few classes disrupt the
flow of the milonga trying their new steps in an inappropriate setting.

I think that a problem arises when some folks try to replicate the
understated elegance and beauty of the expert's dance in a milonga setting.
This results in graceless plodding, shuffling or stationary posing.
Unfortunately, they think they are dancing with passion and connection.
Self-righteousness can prevent either type from learning to dance with
elegance and feeling. The latter group tends to think that they are dancing
very well no matter how badly they look because they are "dancing for their
partner" and not "for the audience". The truth is that the milonga is
another place where people do watch and see how the dancers dance and they
do judge based on what they see. It's a lot like what the rest of us do when
we observe a beautiful performance by the masters vs. a poorly executed
parody by someone else. I received a message that said something very
appropriate about this. The Argentineans have a saying that goes something
like this: " Bailas del corazon pero todo el mundo esta mirando" = "you
dance from the heart but everybody is watching"............

Regards,

Manuel


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>From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
>To: tango-l@mit.edu
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Salon again
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Such grace, efficiency, and beauty of movement! I think in
>the early days of tango in the States, an uninformed tango
>audience missed these elements and instead focused on the
>cool steps. It's a shame that the quality of movement
>wasn't a focus in the early days. Lots of missed
>opportunities to study these very important things with
>Argentina's best.
>
>Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>--- Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is Mariela Franganillo and Jorge Torres tango video:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjCub9v4yA
> > , if you haven't seen it yet.
> >
> > Igor Polk
> >
> >
>
>
>PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
>Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social
>dance.
>https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:30:47 -0500
From: "Tango Society of Central Illinois" <tango.society@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Salon again
To: "WHITE 95 R" <white95r@hotmail.com>
Cc: patangos@yahoo.com, tango-l@mit.edu
<cff24c340704130730i56130c57wd391fd249d7a30cf@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/13/07, WHITE 95 R <white95r@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I think that a problem arises when some folks try to replicate the
> understated elegance and beauty of the expert's dance in a milonga setting.
> This results in graceless plodding, shuffling or stationary posing.
> Unfortunately, they think they are dancing with passion and connection.

Manuel,

I think it would help to be more specific in describing what you are
referring to here ("graceless prodding, shuffling, or stationary
posing"). To some degree I believe I can picture it in my mind, but
interpreted another way, it could be misleading. In my opinion, in
general dancers at milongas in the US need to slow down and contain
their movements. Most dancers are rushing ahead of the music and
making long impulsive movements that carry themselves and their
partners beyond their balance point. This is hardly graceful. On the
other hand, enjoying pauses and stationary suspensions can provide
connection to the music, and these could be explored more and provide
greater enjoyment of the dance. I think most Americans see movement as
a goal in tango, and ignore the beauty of collection and waiting.

Of course, if you are talking about stereotyped stage moves such as
the omnipresent sandwich and the inevitable infinite adornment orgy
that follows - yes - we need to drive that towards a well deserved
extinction.

Ron

Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Salon again
Cc: WHITE 95 R <white95r@hotmail.com>, Tango Society of Central
Illinois <tango.society@gmail.com>

Manuel makes some very good points and I agree with Ron
that many dancers, particularly in younger/smaller
communities tend to dance too fast. The smaller the
community, the more reason there is to study from videos,
which do not go over technique or musicality nearly enough.

But dance is about movement and there can be movement in a
pause. Think Gavito. Normal people really need to slow
down to work on the various parts of movement before they
can emulate the pros that do it at normal speed.

So the velocity at which one moves is something we consider
in structuring our material. We start beginners dancing
rhythmically (Rodriguez, D'Arienzo) and then we slow them
down (D'Agostino, DiSarli) and now we're working with them
on impulse (Pugliese) and slowing them way down. It's at
this point that I think we can start working on being more
elegant. What do others do regarding velocity of movement?

Trini de Pittsburgh


--- Tango Society of Central Illinois
<tango.society@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/13/07, WHITE 95 R <white95r@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think that a problem arises when some folks try to
> replicate the
> > understated elegance and beauty of the expert's dance
> in a milonga setting.
> > This results in graceless plodding, shuffling or
> stationary posing.
> > Unfortunately, they think they are dancing with passion
> and connection.
>
> Manuel,
>
> I think it would help to be more specific in describing
> what you are
> referring to here ("graceless prodding, shuffling, or
> stationary
> posing"). To some degree I believe I can picture it in my
> mind, but
> interpreted another way, it could be misleading. In my
> opinion, in
> general dancers at milongas in the US need to slow down
> and contain
> their movements. Most dancers are rushing ahead of the
> music and
> making long impulsive movements that carry themselves and
> their
> partners beyond their balance point. This is hardly
> graceful. On the
> other hand, enjoying pauses and stationary suspensions
> can provide
> connection to the music, and these could be explored more
> and provide
> greater enjoyment of the dance. I think most Americans
> see movement as
> a goal in tango, and ignore the beauty of collection and
> waiting.
>
> Of course, if you are talking about stereotyped stage
> moves such as
> the omnipresent sandwich and the inevitable infinite
> adornment orgy
> that follows - yes - we need to drive that towards a well
> deserved
> extinction.
>
> Ron

PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://patangos.home.comcast.net/