3857 separation of church and tango
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:55:40 -0700
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: separation of church and tango
Folks,
Religion is already everywhere. In national and international policy, federal government, on the judge's bench, in loans to Christian home owners, in schools, in town halls, you name it, and now on tango-L??.
And what's with God bless the USA, what about everybody else??????? People could feel excluded!
If I were in charge, and fortunately for you I am not, I would follow the good old consitution and outlaw religion in public places, outside the home and the house of worship. Without religion (yours and everybody else's), we would be spared this terrorism and pretty much every single war since the crusades. Good for you if your religion gives YOU comfort, the problem is taking it to a public forum offends the next guy.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am an atheist (4th generation). I have many opinions about religion and how it's conducted, all disrespectful I'm sure, however I respect people's RIGHT to an opinion without being harassed or offended, so I'll spare you my opinions on religion if you spare me yours.
So please don't email me to tell me I'll burn in hell, or ask how can I be an ethical moral being without religious values? I hear this often, and it's very offensive.
Let's discuss tango here, OK. It more than satisfies our love of controversy.
Tine
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:24:40 -0700
From: Iron Logic <railogic@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: separation of church and tango
Of course, the biggest crimes in the history were committed in the name religions.
Nevertheless Atheist or not, God or Godless, I want point one thing, just a thought. The ultimate state of union between man and women is a spiritual experience, you like it or not. So when you tango, if you are lucky, you may know what it is like or at least experienced a glimpse of it.
I think 'that which is in harmony with rest of the universe' is good [sorry for the plagiarism]. As pure as it can get.
So if you tango well, its unlikely you will ever be burnt in hell;)
Cheers
IL
Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM> wrote:Folks,
Religion is already everywhere. In national and international policy, federal government, on the judge's bench, in loans to Christian home owners, in schools, in town halls, you name it, and now on tango-L??.
And what's with God bless the USA, what about everybody else??????? People could feel excluded!
If I were in charge, and fortunately for you I am not, I would follow the good old consitution and outlaw religion in public places, outside the home and the house of worship. Without religion (yours and everybody else's), we would be spared this terrorism and pretty much every single war since the crusades. Good for you if your religion gives YOU comfort, the problem is taking it to a public forum offends the next guy.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am an atheist (4th generation). I have many opinions about religion and how it's conducted, all disrespectful I'm sure, however I respect people's RIGHT to an opinion without being harassed or offended, so I'll spare you my opinions on religion if you spare me yours.
So please don't email me to tell me I'll burn in hell, or ask how can I be an ethical moral being without religious values? I hear this often, and it's very offensive.
Let's discuss tango here, OK. It more than satisfies our love of controversy.
Tine
************************
Tango Club at Yale
YaleTangoClub@yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:28:40 -0400
From: seth <s1redh@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: separation of church and tango- An answer..
On 9/30/05, Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Let's discuss tango here, OK. It more than satisfies our love of
> controversy.
>
> Tine
>
> Hi Tine,
I promise to shut up after this, but what you wrote is too good to pass
unanswered ;-)
> Without religion (yours and everybody else's), we would be spared this
terrorism and pretty much every single war since the crusades.
To continue your argument, we would still be living in our ancestral
villages, dying an early death from minor diseases, if not bludgeoned by
someone from a neighbourly village..
People tried, from time to time to do away with religion and replace it with
other systems of belief. Remember Comunism, The One Thousand Years Reich,
the French Revolution* and its aftermath (the mother of them all), all
"Imitations of Christ"? They all attempted to improve the lot of the rest of
us, to save us if you like (well, NSDAP only included the pure Germans). All
resulted in bloodshed on an unimaginable scale.
On the other hand one can argue that this was the price we paid for
modernity: we wouldn't be living so comfortably lacking the continuous
military development spurred by political system competitions and which
became the basis for our technological society (Arnold Toynbee's thesis is
an interesting read)...
Religion, as much as some like to denigrate it today, and all the blood it
is accused of having caused, was a unique civilizing force throughout the
human history. It began by civilizing the Israelite tribes, then spread its
influence in Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire, replacing it by
instituting the Church as a transnational power. I has been corrupted at
times, yes, but it was still the educator and moderator of the worst human
instincts. It is on the wane these days, and some are missing its ethical
influence..
Seth, Atheist
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:34:26 -0700
From: Ed Loomis <TangoBear@POBOX.COM>
Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll [was: separation of church and tango]
It sho nuff is easy to troll this list, ain't it!
Ed
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:55:40 -0700, Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Religion is already everywhere. In national and international policy, federal government, on the judge's bench, in loans to Christian home owners, in schools, in town halls, you name it, and now on tango-L??.
(snip)
