4978 Speed of movement around milonga's floor
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:49:51 -0500
From: "Bibi Wong" <bibibwong@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Melroy and Keith
Dancers may not have to move around to get the energy. There are plenty of
energy in crowded milongas in Ba when everyone are pinned on the spot.
Well put about being awkward in moving around when the general mood is to be
stationary. Haven't we witnessed enough Tasmanian Devils senselessly
weaving in and out? :-) I noticed that tango music tends to create more
in-situ opportunities than milonga and valse.
If the dancers are in 7th heaven dancing in-situ, good for them! I am
always fascinated at the things the leaders can do dancing in-situ.
Thus, on the contrary, I beg to differ: I would say it suggested that the
participants are sophisticated in harnessing the space, traffic and mood. I
recall the 1st or 2nd milonga in Denver, the first class after the opening
night milonga was about traffic control. Now they have obviously conquered
that. Hooray to the organizers / teachers!
Bibi
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Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:21:48 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Bibi,
I was surprised with Miles video. When I was in Denver, I say people moving,
progressing in the dance floor. In fact, at any milonga when ratio of
beginners to good dancers is close to 0, there is very steady, good, moving
progressing line.
It is OK for people not to dance progressing, they just have not mastered it
yet, this wonderful skill, but talking about it as if it is good not to move
is strange at least.
Igor Polk
PS
I loved the design of the dance floor: long tables surrounding the space.
Excellent !
You know why it is for? So that people walking along the dance floor would
not disrupt the progressing line of dance !
People who stay on spot do not need it.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:00:50 -0300
From: "Tango Tango" <tangotangotango@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<9fb1555a0705281600j1c3ec8dbw11faa9be4c13c661@mail.gmail.com>
Four tangos = once around the floor
Neil
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
In some very traditional milongas in Buenos Aires, it
is considered very bad form to pass anyone in your
'lane'. Unfortunately, that means if you are behind
some leader who constantly steps back into your
follower's ankle, that continues to happen until the
following leader either puts out his right hand to
stop the guy or gives him a calculated elbow shot. It
also means that if you were behind Gavito, you would
only move the space of one table.
Someone wrote recently that he had 'only' collided
three times. Shouldn't you have learned with the first
collision that your floorcraft was sorely lacking and
limited your dancing to smaller, more contained
movements? Protection of the follower should be
paramount.
In my fifth week of dancing in BAs this year and I
have never been bumped.
Nancy
<<Rito es la danza en tu vida
y el tango que tu amas
te quema en su llama>>
de: Bailarina de tango
por: Horacio Sanguinetti
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:09:34 +1000
From: Gary Barnes <garybarn@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
Neil apparently wrote:
> Four tangos = once around the floor
Hmm, in the place we usually dance, that would mean about 1.5- 2
metres per minute -- I think that's 5-7 feet per minute in the old
money. (I have trouble progressing that slowly, but its not
impossible, if that's what speed the person in front of me is going,
consistently.)
OTOH there are some who do several laps per song. And some who do an
approximation of Brownian motion....
Perhaps we need a Gavito to visit and make a roadblock?
Gary
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 01:54:45 -0400
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
When dancing Tango you need to maintain a connection with your partner, the music and, especially in crowded milongas, with the other dancers on the floor. Usually, you donb t have much choice in how quickly or slowly you progress around the floor b itb s determined by the speed of the ronda. So everyone needs to take responsibility for keeping the ronda moving. The general, albeit unwritten, rule in BsAs [anyone, please correct me if Ib m wrong] is that if thereb s a space in front of you, along the LOD, you move into that space. In the b Campeonato Mundial de Baille de Tangob , I believe they have a rule that a couple can only dance in place for 2 bars of music before having to move on. This is a great rule that should also be adopted in the milongas. This would avoid the frustration of getting stuck behind somebody who wonb t move on and would render overtaking unnecessary. Staying in place for too long when thereb s room to move is just bad navigation, usually !
by people who canb t dance. And, to use one of my favourite expressions b many people can do Tango, but many of them canb t dance Tango. If Neil needs 4 Tangos to move once around the floor, unless heb s dancing in the new Wembley Stadium, I suspect heb s one of the doers. As for Gavito b he earned the right to do whatever he wanted and was give the respect that he was due. The same rules donb t apply to us lesser mortals.
Keith, HK
On Tue May 29 11:09 , Gary Barnes sent:
>Neil apparently wrote:
>
>> Four tangos = once around the floor
>
>Hmm, in the place we usually dance, that would mean about 1.5- 2
>metres per minute -- I think that's 5-7 feet per minute in the old
>money. (I have trouble progressing that slowly, but its not
>impossible, if that's what speed the person in front of me is going,
>consistently.)
>
>OTOH there are some who do several laps per song. And some who do an
>approximation of Brownian motion....
>
>Perhaps we need a Gavito to visit and make a roadblock?
>
>Gary
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:57:48 +1000
From: Gary Barnes <garybarn@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
Joking aside, I guess my points were:
1) number of songs to get once around the floor is not a useful
metric, as size of floor is unknown
2) I can progress at various speeds, but it depends critically on
what the guy in front of me is doing.
3) The ronda should exist (no Brownian motion), and should progress;
4) it is everyone's job to keep the ronda at a nice steady pace
5) "nice steady pace" is in the eye of the beholder, or preferably, a
group of beholders.
On our floor, which is pretty small (maybe 9 metres/yards by 6), I
feel most comfortable when I get around about once in a song or so --
depending on many things including who is in front of me and behind,
whether there are 2 people or 40 out there, who they are, how many
beginners are on the floor, and of course the song. Others at our
milonga would prefer it slower, or faster.
I imagine that if someone takes 4 songs to get around the floor then
the floor may be large, and/or the local conditions (crowding, habit)
mean slow is good. Now, if someone takes 4 songs and everyone else
is getting around in one, we have a problem...
Gary
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:45:52 -0300
From: "Tango Tango" <tangotangotango@gmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Fwd: Speed of movement around milonga's floor
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<9fb1555a0705290745g2185ca51rec09b6ac728480e8@mail.gmail.com>
Nancy.
Reading your post was like getting career advice from a homeless person.
It's too bad Gavito is not alive to receive the input from a 5-week
veteran of tango. He would have appreciated it.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around milonga's floor
In some very traditional milongas in Buenos Aires, it
is considered very bad form to pass anyone in your
'lane'. Unfortunately, that means if you are behind
some leader who constantly steps back into your
follower's ankle, that continues to happen until the
following leader either puts out his right hand to
stop the guy or gives him a calculated elbow shot. It
also means that if you were behind Gavito, you would
only move the space of one table.
Someone wrote recently that he had 'only' collided
three times. Shouldn't you have learned with the first
collision that your floorcraft was sorely lacking and
limited your dancing to smaller, more contained
movements? Protection of the follower should be
paramount.
In my fifth week of dancing in BAs this year and I
have never been bumped.
Nancy
<<Rito es la danza en tu vida
y el tango que tu amas
te quema en su llama>>
de: Bailarina de tango
por: Horacio Sanguinetti
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:17:18 -0400
From: "Fantasia Sorenson" <bichonheels@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Fwd: Speed of movement around milonga's floor
To: "Tango-L List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
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On 5/29/07, Tango Tango <tangotangotango@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nancy.
>
> Reading your post was like getting career advice from a homeless person.
>
> It's too bad Gavito is not alive to receive the input from a 5-week
> veteran of tango. He would have appreciated it.
>
> Neil
>
> Did you read Nancy's post as a criticism of Gavito? That isn't what I got
out of it. It sounded to me as if she were describing a simple rule that she
sees many leaders complying with, namely staying in a single lane without
passing even if you encounter challenges to that.
I wish I had started tango early enough to have seen more of Gavito. I only
saw him when he came through town one time. His slow stateliness was
smoldering! He was usually in the middle of the floor for his slowest
dancing. I saw him once on the outside and he did go around the floor, but
as Nancy described, it was pretty slow.
I'll be explicit in order not to be misunderstood. That isn't a criticism of
Gavito! How marvelous he looked. The ones I would criticize are the ones I
remember zipping around him because they were fed up with waiting for him to
move forward.
Some time ago I wrote a post about "The Flying Dutchman". The essence of it
was that I feel more comfortable when I'm dancing with the kind of leader
that Nancy described, a man who stays in his lane.
I'm taking a little survey now. Are there any men who are curious about how
we feel about that?
Fan
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Fwd: Speed of movement around milonga's floor
I got a laugh from your snottiness. I am a twelve
year veteran of tango, dance in
Buenos Aires every year, have danced with Gavito
several times, am well aware he is dead. In fact,
you complimented me a few months ago on my dancing.
And....I have seen you dance.
nancy
--- Tango Tango <tangotangotango@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nancy.
>
> Reading your post was like getting career advice
> from a homeless person.
>
> It's too bad Gavito is not alive to receive the
> input from a 5-week
> veteran of tango. He would have appreciated it.
>
> Neil
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Speed of movement around
> milonga's floor
>
>
> In some very traditional milongas in Buenos Aires,
> it
> is considered very bad form to pass anyone in your
> 'lane'. Unfortunately, that means if you are behind
> some leader who constantly steps back into your
> follower's ankle, that continues to happen until the
> following leader either puts out his right hand to
> stop the guy or gives him a calculated elbow shot.
> It
> also means that if you were behind Gavito, you would
> only move the space of one table.
>
> Someone wrote recently that he had 'only' collided
> three times. Shouldn't you have learned with the
> first
> collision that your floorcraft was sorely lacking
> and
> limited your dancing to smaller, more contained
> movements? Protection of the follower should be
> paramount.
>
> In my fifth week of dancing in BAs this year and I
> have never been bumped.
>
> Nancy
>
> <<Rito es la danza en tu vida
> y el tango que tu amas
> te quema en su llama>>
> de: Bailarina de tango
> por: Horacio Sanguinetti
>
>
>
>
> snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck
>
>
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y el tango que tu amas
te quema en su llama>>
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