5436 tango/milonga/tango
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:00:42 EST
From: Crrtango@aol.com
Subject: [Tango-L] tango/milonga/tango
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
As Astrid pointed out, tango goes back to habanera, some flamenco, milonga,
etc and as Sergio also pointed out, it also evolved along the way from
canyengue (basically an early form of tango) and rural dances.
To answer 'mash's questions, one of the reason you don't have milongas of
only milongas is that there may not be enough of them to fill an entire night.
There are many more tangos proportionately. And if so, it might get a little
tedious week after week. One of the beauties of having three distinct dance
forms is the variety offered during the night. I would personally get tired of
dancing spirited, happy dances all night. Melancholy, sadness and romance are
all part of tango.
As to the origins, milonga did not directly evolve into tango, but in the
early days there was often no distinction between the two, especially if the song
was a upbeat one. If you happen to find any old sheet music (or photographs
of them in books) you will see some of the early songs called tango/milongas.
The rhythm that we associate with milonga evolved out of the combination of
several sources like the milonga campera, candombe and tango and gradually
evolved into the distinct beat that we now know. One very interesting example of
the mixture is "Carnavalito" recorded by Lucio DeMare which almost literally
layers a rural "country" or indigenous rhythm on top of a "city" rhythm. It
almost sounds like two songs played simultaneously. Another example is the famous
Villoldo song "El Porten~ito." D'Arienzo and others play it as a tango but
D'Agostino plays it as a milonga (it's listed as a tango/milonga on his CD).
Nothing is ever purely black or white but the fact that we call the social
dances "milongas" indicates how germane it is to the evolution of tango.
Cheers,
Charles
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:09:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Ming Mar <ming_mar@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] tango/milonga/tango
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
Crrtango@aol.com writes:
>Another example is the famous Villoldo song "El
>Porten~ito." D'Arienzo and others play it as a
>tango but D'Agostino plays it as a milonga (it's
>listed as a tango/milonga on his CD).
If you're referring to track 19 of "Tangos de los
Angels vol. 1" on the Tango Argentino label, then
there's no slash (virgule) between the words "tango"
and "milonga."
In English, tango milonga means dance-party tango.
This is to differentiate it from tango cancione, which
means song tango.
I've never seen old sheet music with a slash between
the words "tango" and "milonga." If you have seen a
picture of this on the web, please post a URL so that
I can see it.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:28:48 EST
From: Crrtango@aol.com
Subject: [Tango-L] tango/milonga/tango
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
ming_mar wrote:
<<<If you're referring to track 19 of "Tangos de los
Angels vol. 1" on the Tango Argentino label, then
there's no slash (virgule) between the words "tango"
and "milonga."
Actually I was referring to the Bandoneon label issue but you are correct
about the slash being absent.
<<<In English, tango milonga means dance-party tango.
This is to differentiate it from tango cancione, which
means song tango.>>>
I Speak spanish so I am aware of the translation but perhaps I extrapolated
>from the two words together. Nonetheless, he plays it with a distinct milonga
rhythm, not a tango rhythm, and the song appears other places listed as only a
tango. However, many other tangos with lyrics are not described as a tango
cancion (no "e") but just as a tango, so that was not a consistent practice. I
own original sheet music by Edgardo Donato, Tanturi and others where the tangos
are described as tango cancion, tango criollo, or just tango (with or without
lyrics) and there doesn't seem to be any indication as to whether they are for
dancing or not, if that is your point. There are many tangos that are
considered tangos for listening as opposed to tangos for dancing but they are not
labeled as "tango para escuchar" (for listening), even though they are never
played at milongas.
I've never seen old sheet music with a slash between
the words "tango" and "milonga."? If you have seen a
picture of this on the web, please post a URL so that
I can see it.
I stand corrected on that but my point was more that the lines were probably
not as clearly drawn between the two in the early days.
Cheers,
Charles
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