5837 Tango music and I-Tunes
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:36:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Susan Munoz <susan_munoz@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] Tango music and I-Tunes
To: Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>
Earlier this summer, I visited?a dear tango friend and he showed me how to load my tango music into I-tunes.? This was a very time-consuming and?laborious process of entering all the information, song-by-song and it?actually took?a few?weeks in total.? Everything seemed to be working perfectly.??A few weeks passed and he and his significant other came to visit and he opened up my I-tunes library to see how I was doing.? He said, I don't know what you were smoking when you did this but these songs don't match the composer or the genre, etc.? I didn't think much about it?until I recently went to create some playlists.? What a mess.? CD's that I had?purchased at Z-Vals, or El Ateneo?were being scrambled, indicating certain songs were milongas when they were vals, or indicating they were Di Sarli when they were Biagi or worse still, indicating that a tango was Tom Waits.?This wasn't limited to CD's from Argentina.? I had purchased a Keb Mo
CD for a particular song as an entry-level find-the-beat and it, too, was all over the place.
Has anyone on this List?experienced any similar problems?? Is there one?library-software system that's more reliable?than another.? Is there a separate?music software system that I should/could purchase that would eliminate this? ?I would have thought it was simply operator error but there was no consistency, rather totally random.? I could sure use some help as to what to do as this is extremely frustrating.?
Thanks,
Susan
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:12:30 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean \(PATangoS\)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango music and I-Tunes
Hi Susan,
A few months ago, I began using Itunes on my computer (a PC, not a Mac), so that I can put music on the Ipod I got for Christmas. My music had been imported earlier using Windows Media Player, which I then imported to Itunes. I haven't had the problem you described. Perhaps that might be an option for you, though it does eat up disk space. If that solution works, then perhaps you can just delete the WMA version to save disk space.
Since most of my music come from personal disks, it's easy for me to change a song's properties through Windows Media. Itunes doesn't seem to store the music as simply as Windows Media, in folders that you can easily access and change.
The problem I've had with my Ipod is that if I do a playlist that basically contains a whole CD but with different cortinas, the new cortinas won't play. Nor can I have the same cortina play multiple times on the same playlist. If someone can figure that one out for me, I'd appreciate it.
Trini
--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Susan Munoz <susan_munoz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> From: Susan Munoz <susan_munoz@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Tango-L] Tango music and I-Tunes
> To: "Tango-L List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:36 PM
> Earlier this summer, I visited?a
> dear tango friend and he showed me how to load my tango
> music into I-tunes.? This was a very time-consuming
> and?laborious process of entering all the information,
> song-by-song and it?actually took?a few?weeks in total.?
> Everything seemed to be working perfectly.??A few weeks
> passed and he and his significant other came to visit and he
> opened up my I-tunes library to see how I was doing.? He
> said, I don't know what you were smoking when you did this
> but these songs don't match the composer or the genre,
> etc.? I didn't think much about it?until I recently went
> to create some playlists.? What a mess.? CD's that I
> had?purchased at Z-Vals, or El Ateneo?were being
> scrambled, indicating certain songs were milongas when they
> were vals, or indicating they were Di Sarli when they were
> Biagi or worse still, indicating that a tango was Tom
> Waits.?This wasn't limited to CD's from Argentina.? I had
> purchased a Keb Mo
> CD for a particular song as an entry-level find-the-beat
> and it, too, was all over the place.
>
> Has anyone on this List?experienced any similar
> problems?? Is there one?library-software system that's
> more reliable?than another.? Is there a separate?music
> software system that I should/could purchase that would
> eliminate this? ?I would have thought it was simply
> operator error but there was no consistency, rather totally
> random.? I could sure use some help as to what to do as
> this is extremely frustrating.?
>
> Thanks,
> Susan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:23:11 +0100
From: "Ralph J. Hangleiter" <ralph.hangleiter@web.de>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango music and I-Tunes
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Hi,
Trini's problems are a bit easier to address than Susan's, as "songs
being all over the place" is not really a good description of the error.
itunes works in the following way:
You have a library (file), where itunes notes which songs you have and
then you have the actual songs as files on your hard disk. You can
select yourself in the settings, whether you want itunes administer
the music or do it yourself.
Automatic Administration by itunes:
If you set the option "Keep iTunes Media folder organized" in the
"Advanced" settings, then itunes orders the files into folders by
artist, album and names the files based on the disc number, track
number and the song title. Example:
Lunfardo is title 3 on disc 1 of album "Live in Colonia" by Astor
Piazzolla & Quinteto Tango Nuevo:
This will result in your Library folder:
Level Folder:
1 Total Library
2 Astor Piazzolla & Quinteto Tango Nuevo
3 Live In Colonia, 1984 (CD 1)
1-03 Lunfardo.mp3
If you want, there is another option which says "Copy files to itunes
Media folder when adding to library". This means if you get files
from somewhere and add them to itunes, then they are copied in the
itunes Media Folder, the original file still exists. But then you have
two copies. If you want, you can delete the first one, because you
still have the second copy and itunes will work with that.
If you administrate yourself, then do not set the option, and then you
can create your own folder structure and itunes is just going to note
in its library file where you keep the file you just added to itunes.
Which means it will take the path of the file on your hard disk, i. e.
in which folder it resides, and add that to the file information in
the library file. However, if you now go and move a song - you need to
inform itunes about this. Because itunes still knows only the old
address - so like when you move yourself, you need to make sure mail
gets forwarded, in this case itunes will complain next time you want
to try to play this song and say it couldn't find it - and you
hopefully remember where you put it.
So Trini, it would be perfectly possible to work in itunes the same
way as in the Windows Media Player, and no, you do not need to keep
two versions of the same song. You just need to tell itunes that you
want to do this work yourself.
As to the mess existing in the information of the songs (the so called
tags for fields like artist, album, year, genre, etc), if it has been
put in purely manually, and now everything is messed up sounds a
strange - why should that happen?
However, if you rely on the database (when you put in a new CD to
digitize the songs, and after a short time the names "automagically"
appear, what happens is that itunes computes a special number from the
information it has on the CD (like number and length of the titles)
and then looks up the CD in a database. That database is run by a
company called gracenote and the information of the CDs is mainly put
in by users. So it is not the record labels giving you that
information. Therefore there are also quite often some typographical
errors, or just plain mistakes. Especially with Tango CDs, which are
not quite mainstream, it can happen quite often, that something is
mislabeled or has the wrong date/composer/artist whatever.
So you should carefully check what itunes comes back with from the
information. And yes, if you want to have a properly tagged library,
that means quite a lot of work.
Hope that sheds some light on the issue - for more questions, contact
me with private mail.
Kind regards from the Istanbul Tango Ritual festival
Ralph
Munich, Germany
