1811 Thousand million = billion
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:24:47 -0400
From: Sergio <cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Thousand million = billion
1 billion in Argentina and in Europe is different from 1 billion in the USA.
1 - 10 - 100 - 1000 - 10,000 - 100,000 - 1,000,000 - 10,000,000 -
100,000,000 - 1,000,000,000 -
1,000,000,000 = is called one thousand million in Argentina and Europe,
probably in the rest of the world as well but it is called one billion in
the USA.
10,000,000,000 ten thousand million vs. ten billion
100,000,000,000 hundred thousand million vs. one hundred billion
1,000,000,000,000 this is a billion in Argentina and Europe and 1000
billion in USA.
The other difference is the use of the comma and the dot.
The dot is used in Argentina and Europe to separate a number in its
thousands and the comma to indicate decimal fractions. The opposite is done
in the USA.
10,000 in the USA = 10.000 in Argentina and Europe
10.10 in the USA = 10,10 in Argentina and Europe
The notation for the date is also different
10-01-2003 in Argentina and Europe means January 10, 2003 but in the
USA it means October 1st. 2003
The exchange rate for the Turkish lira is *about 1U$S = 1,400,000 TRL it
has lost about 100% of its value since I was there about three years ago .
It was 760,000 TRL to 1 U$S then.
7 U$S = 9,800,000,000 TRL 9,800 (millions) of TRL or else 9.8 billion
TRL in the USA.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:31:09 +0300
From: "Aydogan (Encuentro)" <aydogan@TANGOENCUENTRO.COM>
Subject: Re: Thousand million = billion
You would be very rich if you come to Turkey with 10 USD. :-)
Well, if you had given 7 USD to the shopkeeper, and if you had tried to
write down the numbers printed on the banknote, and if you had summed up
all, then the writing would have read 9,800,000 TRL, that is 1000 times less
than your calculation. Hence, 9,800,000,000 TRL is 7000 USD, not 7 USD.
In Turkey millon means 6 zeros, billion means 9 zeros.
Saludos,
Aydogan
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Sent: 18 Eyl|l 2003 Per~embe 17:25
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Thousand million = billion
1 billion in Argentina and in Europe is different from 1 billion in the USA.
1 - 10 - 100 - 1000 - 10,000 - 100,000 - 1,000,000 - 10,000,000 -
100,000,000 - 1,000,000,000 -
1,000,000,000 = is called one thousand million in Argentina and Europe,
probably in the rest of the world as well but it is called one billion in
the USA.
10,000,000,000 ten thousand million vs. ten billion
100,000,000,000 hundred thousand million vs. one hundred billion
1,000,000,000,000 this is a billion in Argentina and Europe and 1000
billion in USA.
The other difference is the use of the comma and the dot.
The dot is used in Argentina and Europe to separate a number in its
thousands and the comma to indicate decimal fractions. The opposite is done
in the USA.
10,000 in the USA = 10.000 in Argentina and Europe
10.10 in the USA = 10,10 in Argentina and Europe
The notation for the date is also different
10-01-2003 in Argentina and Europe means January 10, 2003 but in the
USA it means October 1st. 2003
The exchange rate for the Turkish lira is *about 1U$S = 1,400,000 TRL it
has lost about 100% of its value since I was there about three years ago .
It was 760,000 TRL to 1 U$S then.
7 U$S = 9,800,000,000 TRL 9,800 (millions) of TRL or else 9.8 billion
TRL in the USA.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:19:57 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: Thousand million = billion
Hi Serge!
Glad to see you've written something sensible and totally correct for a
change. I completely agree with all you've said. The American system
annoys me.
Having said all that, I don't know the relevance to the Tango List
except for those billionaires travelling to the Argentina and Europe
from the USA and vice-versa.
However...
Well done!
Keep up the good work.
Dani
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 18 September 2003 15:25
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Thousand million = billion
1 billion in Argentina and in Europe is different from 1 billion in the
USA.
1 - 10 - 100 - 1000 - 10,000 - 100,000 - 1,000,000 - 10,000,000 -
100,000,000 - 1,000,000,000 -
1,000,000,000 = is called one thousand million in Argentina and Europe,
probably in the rest of the world as well but it is called one billion
in
the USA.
10,000,000,000 ten thousand million vs. ten billion
100,000,000,000 hundred thousand million vs. one hundred billion
1,000,000,000,000 this is a billion in Argentina and Europe and 1000
billion in USA.
The other difference is the use of the comma and the dot.
The dot is used in Argentina and Europe to separate a number in its
thousands and the comma to indicate decimal fractions. The opposite is
done
in the USA.
10,000 in the USA = 10.000 in Argentina and Europe
10.10 in the USA = 10,10 in Argentina and Europe
The notation for the date is also different
10-01-2003 in Argentina and Europe means January 10, 2003 but in
the
USA it means October 1st. 2003
The exchange rate for the Turkish lira is *about 1U$S = 1,400,000 TRL
it
has lost about 100% of its value since I was there about three years ago
.
It was 760,000 TRL to 1 U$S then.
7 U$S = 9,800,000,000 TRL 9,800 (millions) of TRL or else 9.8
billion
TRL in the USA.
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:35:45 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: Thousand million = billion
Hi again Serge!
I overlooked one 'point'...you were WRONG in the following:
"10,000 in the USA = 10.000 in Argentina and Europe
10.10 in the USA = 10,10 in Argentina and Europe"
In the UK certainly (which is a leading part of Europe) it is the same
as what you say the USA system promotes.
...and I thought you were doing so well. Tut-tut...
Never mind, you still impressed me. I'm sure you'll be 100% soon. Keep
trying.
Perhaps you (or someone else) can fill us in on shoe sizes [Argentina vs
Europe/UK vs USA]? I think this is particularly relevant re Tango shoes
- especially when trying to buy for someone back home.
Regards to all,
Dani
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 18 September 2003 16:20
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Thousand million = billion
Hi Serge!
Glad to see you've written something sensible and totally correct for a
change. I completely agree with all you've said. The American system
annoys me.
Having said all that, I don't know the relevance to the Tango List
except for those billionaires travelling to the Argentina and Europe
from the USA and vice-versa.
However...
Well done!
Keep up the good work.
Dani
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 18 September 2003 15:25
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Thousand million = billion
1 billion in Argentina and in Europe is different from 1 billion in the
USA.
1 - 10 - 100 - 1000 - 10,000 - 100,000 - 1,000,000 - 10,000,000 -
100,000,000 - 1,000,000,000 -
1,000,000,000 = is called one thousand million in Argentina and Europe,
probably in the rest of the world as well but it is called one billion
in
the USA.
10,000,000,000 ten thousand million vs. ten billion
100,000,000,000 hundred thousand million vs. one hundred billion
1,000,000,000,000 this is a billion in Argentina and Europe and 1000
billion in USA.
The other difference is the use of the comma and the dot.
The dot is used in Argentina and Europe to separate a number in its
thousands and the comma to indicate decimal fractions. The opposite is
done
in the USA.
10,000 in the USA = 10.000 in Argentina and Europe
10.10 in the USA = 10,10 in Argentina and Europe
The notation for the date is also different
10-01-2003 in Argentina and Europe means January 10, 2003 but in
the
USA it means October 1st. 2003
The exchange rate for the Turkish lira is *about 1U$S = 1,400,000 TRL
it
has lost about 100% of its value since I was there about three years ago
.
It was 760,000 TRL to 1 U$S then.
7 U$S = 9,800,000,000 TRL 9,800 (millions) of TRL or else 9.8
billion
TRL in the USA.
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:00:42 +0100
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@CENDERIS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Thousand million = billion
Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK> writes:
> Hi again Serge!
>
> I overlooked one 'point'...you were WRONG in the following:
>
> "10,000 in the USA = 10.000 in Argentina and Europe
> 10.10 in the USA = 10,10 in Argentina and Europe"
>
> In the UK certainly (which is a leading part of Europe) it is the
> same as what you say the USA system promotes.
Quite true. Commas and dots in numbers are used in the UK as in the
US.
Even billions aren't quite right. It's fairly common in the UK to use
billion to mean one thousand million, especially in financial
contexts. However, it's not *always* done---so there's often
ambiguity. I'm sure I remember one story where it turned out that the
journalist didn't even know whether the billion in their news report
meant a thousand million or a million million, making the story rather
imprecise.
(The same sort of ambiguity exists for trillions, in the UK. Only
there the ambiguity is a factor of a million rather than a thousand.)
[...]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:30:59 -0700
From: Elemer Dubrovay <dubrovay@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Thousand million = billion
And USA seems to be the only country that does not use the metric system.
Kind of slow in catching up.
Elemer in Redmond.
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:24:47 -0400 Sergio <cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET> writes:
> 1 billion in Argentina and in Europe is different from 1 billion in
> the USA.
>
>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:14:10 -0700
From: Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM>
Subject: Re: Thousand million = billion; devoid of tango content
> And USA seems to be the only country that does not use the metric system.
> Kind of slow in catching up.
That's because some years ago our benighted government decided its citizens
are too stupid to switch from the quaint formerly British system of pounds,
ounces, miles, feet and inches to the simple and logical metric system which
anyone over the age of 7 with an average IQ or less can master in about half
an hour. The assessment by our government of its citizens' intellectual
abilities has been amply illustrated of late. Please excuse the political
content of this post as I have excused the mathematical content of the
previous ones on this boring topic.
Abrazos anyway,
Barbara
PS. I do not include the switch from fahrenheit to celsius which is another
problem altogether. And actually now that I've thought about it for an
additional 5 minutes I realize that the motivation of our leaders was no
doubt influenced more by the reluctance of corporate manufacturers to change
the specifications of their products than by a desire to pamper the
populace. Let's get back to tango, por favor!
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:32:15 -0400
From: Andy <andyk@TORONTOTANGO.COM>
Subject: Re: Thousand million = billion; devoid of tango content
Actually if you want to play the devil's advocate you could make a case
that the Fahrenheit system is closer to the true meaning of the metric
system them the Celsius system because in the world of humans Zero (0
degrees F) is approximately as cold as it gets in the real world and 100
(100 degrees F) is approximately as hot as it gets in the real world (may o
menus as the say in Argentina).
Also Fahrenheit has finer gradations 73 degrees F is 23 degrees C, but so
is 74 degrees F.
What does this have to do with tango? Nothing! 40 degrees C in Buenos
Aires in January is hot in any system.
Ciao,
Andy
