5475 The Top Six Tango Cities of the World?
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:42:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] The Top Six Tango Cities of the World?
To: tango-l@mit.edu
What are your top Ten Tango Cities of the world? Ranked by;
1. Number of Milongas/Practicas occurring each week
2. Number of dancers attending
3. Quality of dancing
4. Availability of Tango instruction
5. Popularity of it's Annual Tango Festival
We all know which city will be number one but how about
number two, three and four?
You don't have to have visited each city in order to rate them.
There are other ways to come to an opinion and we are mostly just
guessing but perhaps a city or two will show up high on the
list that you haven't considered before...please, take a few
minutes and list your opinions from any experience whatsoever
including reading blogs, viewing Youtube, etc. etc.
Aren't we all curious about how this will stack up, including our own
favorites?
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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:53:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] The Top Six Tango Cities of the World? ..and how
about the Top Six, here??
To: tango-l@mit.edu
While in conversation at a practica, a woman from Colombia informed me that Colombia (Medallin) is THE place outside of Buenos Aires for encountering serious social tango. Since then, I've heard about tango being the national dance of Finland and I can't help but
be impressed by the many impressive videos of Tango events in Istanbul, Turkey.
Even Asia is starting to really get into the act..and what about the good 'ol U.S. of A.??
Hmmm, what would be the top ranking order of cities right here in my own birthplace??
Heck, I find this all VERY interesting and I hope that others do, too.
I'm anxious as hell to hear your opinions on this..many thanks!
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:02:23 +1100
From: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The Top Six Tango Cities of the World?
To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu>
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I have not done much tango tourism, but based on followers I have danced with from around the world the scene in Korea must be amazing.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:33:49 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The Top Six Tango Cities of the World?
To: "Mario" <sopelote@yahoo.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Tokyo has quite a few milongas, among these 3-4 owned by Argentines, and the
rest by Japanese, so on some days there are several to choose from. The
number of dancers can be between 20 and 120, I guess. There are also some
special events in larger halls, with live music.
Many of the great names of tango have come here regularly or at least once
to teach, so I have a chance to take lessons and dance with Juan Carlos
Copes, Fabian Salas, Carlos Gavito, Jorge Torres, Oscar Mandagaran, Sergio
Cortazzo, Nito Garcia, Carlos Copello and others.
The level of dancing can be fairly high at times, anyway, a lot higher than
what I have seen in Berlin in most places, and Berlin is famous for tango.
Of course not always, and the Japanese may be better at technique than at
expressing emotion but still.
Argentine-Japanese couples have scored among the first five in the past two
mundials. Now we also have the Asian tango championships here with Argentine
judges.
Still, I feel limited tangowise sometimes because I do not attend milongas
run by Japanese.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 4:42 AM
Subject: [Tango-L] The Top Six Tango Cities of the World?
> What are your top Ten Tango Cities of the world? Ranked by;
>
> 1. Number of Milongas/Practicas occurring each week
> 2. Number of dancers attending
> 3. Quality of dancing
> 4. Availability of Tango instruction
> 5. Popularity of it's Annual Tango Festival
>
> We all know which city will be number one but how about
> number two, three and four?
> You don't have to have visited each city in order to rate them.
> There are other ways to come to an opinion and we are mostly just
> guessing but perhaps a city or two will show up high on the
> list that you haven't considered before...please, take a few
> minutes and list your opinions from any experience whatsoever
> including reading blogs, viewing Youtube, etc. etc.
> Aren't we all curious about how this will stack up, including our own
> favorites?
>
>
> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!
> Search.
>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:33:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] x tango
To: alex@tangofuego.us
Cc: Tango List <tango-l-request@mit.edu>, Tango L <tango-l@mit.edu>
Dear Alex: Yeah, here in BA, they have Practica X, Tango Extremo and I am sure others....all indicative of the nuevo style, in their events. Seems best for an identifying "codigo", if necessary, for differentiation as it is universally recognized, as you said, since the trademarking of the X games. Personally, though, I find all of this "talking about dance" somewhat like singing about sex.......nice but really, beside the point. A little too much "mental masturbation", if you will, for me. Or at best, a Zen koan.
Prefer the old chestnut........"shut up and dance", right? A bit of an anti-intellectual position, I suppose but nonetheless, appropriate in this ongoing discussion, I feel.
Besos y abrazos, d. black
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:57:43 -0300
From: bettina maria fahlbusch <bettinamaria7@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] x tango
To: dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
Cc: Tango L <tango-l@mit.edu>, alex@tangofuego.us, Tango List
<tango-l-request@mit.edu>
<a6baf9ab0908141557o3a2dc127k482683bb9899c6bc@mail.gmail.com>
" . . . . Personally, though, I find all of this "talking about dance"
somewhat like singing about sex.......nice but really, beside the
point. A little too much "mental masturbation", if you will, for me.
. ."
OH thank you thank you thank you!!!! finally someone calling a spade a
spade! yes, shut up and dance !! :-)
man - all so in the f.... head !
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:12:35 -0600
From: "Deb Sclar" <debsclar@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] x tango
To: "'bettina maria fahlbusch'" <bettinamaria7@gmail.com>, "'dierdre
black'" <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Tango List' <tango-l-request@mit.edu>, alex@tangofuego.us, 'Tango
L' <tango-l@mit.edu>
Bettina wrote:
" OH thank you thank you thank you!!!! finally someone calling a spade a
spade! yes, shut up and dance !! :-)
man - all so in the f.... head !"
Question to you, Bettina: WHY are you reading this thread? Follow your own
advise - stay out of your head, shut up and dance. It works for you, bueno.
I am often in your camp, by the way. I prefer to dance rather than discuss.
PERO! Why not let those who need to discuss, to intellectualize, to
articulate, to analyze, do so? Why stand in such judgment of a process that
isn't your own? Many who analyze at this depth are the very leaders we
chicas PRAY will invite us to a tanda that would make our evening or week or
festival worthwhile...maybe this process helps them become even more divine
at their leading? I am familiar with most of the gents sharing opinions on
this thread & most are MARVELOUS dancers. Carry on, chicos!
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:58 PM
To: dierdre black
Cc: Tango L; alex@tangofuego.us; Tango List
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] x tango
" . . . . Personally, though, I find all of this "talking about dance"
somewhat like singing about sex.......nice but really, beside the
point. A little too much "mental masturbation", if you will, for me.
. ."
OH thank you thank you thank you!!!! finally someone calling a spade a
spade! yes, shut up and dance !! :-)
man - all so in the f.... head !
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] x tango
To: bettina maria fahlbusch <bettinamaria7@gmail.com>, Tango-L
Hello Bettina,
Have you ever had anyone come up to you and say "Thank you for all that you do. Tango has really changed my life"? That's pretty much the exact words. And it happens not once, not twice, but many times. Meanwhile, you're just thinking that you're simply sharing something that you love - hosting parties, showing others how to dance, talking about tango.
Have you ever had someone say to you "I trust you. You're my teacher." Not once, not twice, but multiple times? And they go to workshops or classes because they simply trust your judgement? And you barely know them?
At some point, it dawns on you that, gee, doing this tango thing isn't just about you. It's about everyone else, too. And the people who will come along next year or in 5 years or in 10 years. It's a humbling moment.
And there is no accredited university to get a doctorate's degree from or a research magazine to read. You're just flying by the seat of your pants trying to learn as much as you can to live up to the trust that others have so willingly placed in you. All you can do is talk to a lot of people and piece things together yourself. Thank goodness for Tango-L and people like Brian, Sergio, and a host of other people who are willing to discuss things in-depth.
If the above things happen to you, then you might appreciate more why people like Brian, Sergio, myself, and many others on Tango-L post the way we do. We love our communities enough to want to do them right, not just for today, but for tomorrow and for the future leaders of our communities, too. If you choose not to get so involved in shaping your community, then that's fine, too. As a friend of mine says, "You can either follow, lead, or get out of the way."
Trini de Pittsburgh
P.S. Had an interesting conversation on Facebook today. Went something like this.
Friend #1: Did you know that you can tango to the Blues?
Friend #2 (non-tango): Really?
Me: Yes, but it's not Argentine tango, which is okay. Don't know what they call that hybrid. The terms Alternative Tango or Xtango has been suggested for describing those variants.
Friend #1: You can also do a type of free tango, depending on what you and your partner feel like.
... Some discussion about past milonga with the blues...
Friend #2: This is an interesting conversation.
I think this exchange says a lot about what we can do to encourage creativity and personal expression without losing what we love about tango tango or raising animosity over different styles.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:10:35 -0300
From: bettina maria fahlbusch <bettinamaria7@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] x tango
To: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Cc: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
<a6baf9ab0908150810s346bfe1dp165499db7dbcd55c@mail.gmail.com>
Sounds wonderful, Trini. I actually relate. I can appreciate anyone
giving their time and energy to Tango, I do so myself, not just in
Tango but also with my other creative work that is also now related to
Tango and in direct service.
I am not in critique of the conversations - which I gather by now
seems to have been greatly misunderstood - I have engaged in them as I
actually find it interesting to see there is even a forum for such and
some of these conversations have been very informative and
interesting.
But I am a friend of posing questions, asking questions, not jut to
others, but also to myself - I think in any viable engagement
especialy with art/ dance and so forth, anything subject to evolution,
that is important. Yes, and tradition has its place. I am an artist
for over 25 years and a dancer for over 11 years now, I do discover
constantly new depths, frontiers and experiences within it. And while
i have great respect for the origins and tradition in Tango, as an art
form, if everyone would strictly only stick to tradition we would not
see some incredible artists doing what they do, like f.e. Guillermina,
Miriam Larici, Gustavo y Giselle - just to name a few. But these are
all artists that I would say while they completely keep and capture
the essence, they are also constantly pushing its evolution into new
frontiers.
By the way Gustavo was being asked (or projected on?) in one of the
"Chamuyos" that he was the "Father of Tango Nuevo . . ." (?) and he
replied " . . . Nuevo . .? What is that?" (I was there so for fact he
said that.)
On 8/15/09, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) <patangos@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Bettina,
>
> Have you ever had anyone come up to you and say "Thank you for all that you
> do. Tango has really changed my life"? That's pretty much the exact words.
> And it happens not once, not twice, but many times. Meanwhile, you're just
> thinking that you're simply sharing something that you love - hosting
> parties, showing others how to dance, talking about tango.
>
> Have you ever had someone say to you "I trust you. You're my teacher." Not
> once, not twice, but multiple times? And they go to workshops or classes
> because they simply trust your judgement? And you barely know them?
>
> At some point, it dawns on you that, gee, doing this tango thing isn't just
> about you. It's about everyone else, too. And the people who will come
> along next year or in 5 years or in 10 years. It's a humbling moment.
>
> And there is no accredited university to get a doctorate's degree from or a
> research magazine to read. You're just flying by the seat of your pants
> trying to learn as much as you can to live up to the trust that others have
> so willingly placed in you. All you can do is talk to a lot of people and
> piece things together yourself. Thank goodness for Tango-L and people like
> Brian, Sergio, and a host of other people who are willing to discuss things
> in-depth.
>
> If the above things happen to you, then you might appreciate more why people
> like Brian, Sergio, myself, and many others on Tango-L post the way we do.
> We love our communities enough to want to do them right, not just for today,
> but for tomorrow and for the future leaders of our communities, too. If you
> choose not to get so involved in shaping your community, then that's fine,
> too. As a friend of mine says, "You can either follow, lead, or get out of
> the way."
>
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>
> P.S. Had an interesting conversation on Facebook today. Went something
> like this.
>
> Friend #1: Did you know that you can tango to the Blues?
>
> Friend #2 (non-tango): Really?
>
> Me: Yes, but it's not Argentine tango, which is okay. Don't know what they
> call that hybrid. The terms Alternative Tango or Xtango has been suggested
> for describing those variants.
>
> Friend #1: You can also do a type of free tango, depending on what you and
> your partner feel like.
>
> ... Some discussion about past milonga with the blues...
>
> Friend #2: This is an interesting conversation.
>
>
> I think this exchange says a lot about what we can do to encourage
> creativity and personal expression without losing what we love about tango
> tango or raising animosity over different styles.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
