4111 Tyranous Tango Teacher
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:14:48 -0800
From: burl burl <burlq7@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Tyranous Tango Teacher
The worst place to be dancing in a New York milonga is between two teachers. Everyone seems to think the beginners are dangerous--they will kick you, crash into you, or (more comon) stop dead for a minute. It is my experience that the teachers (here in new york where we all have pretty bad manners to begin with) have the worst dance manners.
Many of you (no matter how quiet your dance style) probably know it is alot of fun to have the whole floor to yourself. You may not dance any differently but you feel like the weight is off your shoulders, and the wait is off the floor. So yes, I could always use a little bit more space. If you are from the midwest and dance in a mall this may not be a problem--but here, every single event is pretty packed. It is a combination of expensive real-estate and vast population. We get crammed together on the subway, in the elevator, and even in the kitchen.
So I know why a teacher wants to claim a slightly bigger part of the floor, we all do. I think teachers get used to dancing all day in their home studio where there is alot of space and everybody gets obediently out of their way. This is true for both men and women teachers.
Most teachers go to Milongas with a slightly different agenda than the rest of us. They gotta sell themselves and drum up tango business. You grab a little extra space and you're going to be able to draw the attention of the new comers, and even some of us with a trained eye.
Look, I am glad for people who go into a tango-trance hug and walk to the music. But it just ain't that much fun to watch. You almost feel like you are spying on them if you do. It is no fun to watch a couple dance a poor-style big-steppin flashy tango either--however, it is fun to watch a good teacher dance a perfect style with a little more space. So if I want to show of to my "audiance" (thats us, the people who are on the buy side of the tango business) I grab a bit more than my fair share of the floor, dance a bit larger than I should, and I linger a bit to long in front of prospective clients.
And then there is the guy (from the buy side of the tango) who is just so pleased with himself that his favorite tango teacher/performer is dancing with him. He isn't showing off for us, but he feels like he should show off to her. She knows better than to let him run wild, but heck, he is a paying customer. At least in this case, we don't feel like we are witness to an advertisement, just a bit of private-lesson-fee payback on a public floor. Three or four weeks ago a bunch of us had to listen to a woman teacher lecture us on floor craft when she had kicked at least 4 people the night before.
Frequently some of the best milonga's are held at dance studios. And here the teachers who teach at the studio, or who are involved in setting up the milonga seem to think that on their turf they are entitled to more of the floor than joe shmoe who paid his money at the door.
And then--just to be fair, there are some teachers who behave themselves, but it takes a while to figure out who they are. And also to be fair, I like watching the better teachers dance their large dance, but only when I am not dancing.
So here is my advice--in a new york milonga, stay away from the teachers, you are much better off dancing near a few novice dancers who have no other mission than to enjoy the dance and the music.
yours
Burleigh
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:19:18 -0500
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
>From: burl burl <burlq7@YAHOO.COM>
>
>The worst place to be dancing in a New York milonga is between two
>teachers. Everyone seems to think the beginners are dangerous--they will
>kick you, crash into you, or (more comon) stop dead for a minute. It is my
>experience that the teachers (here in new york where we all have pretty bad
>manners to begin with) have the worst dance manners.
>
Wow! That's terrible. We have a completely different experience in Atlanta.
The best place to dance is between some teachers as they know best how to
navigate. Almost every teacher in Atlanta has better navigational skills
than the average dancer.
Manuel
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:28:31 -0500
From: Carlos Duarte de Chey <carlosnytango@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
Very funny email Burl, see you at La milonga de Gardel this Saturday.
Carlos de Chey
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:28:56 -1200
From: Michael <tangomaniac@CAVTEL.NET>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
> From: burl burl
>
> The worst place to be dancing in a New York milonga is
> between two teachers.
> yours
> Burleigh
Very funny email Burl, see you at La milonga de Gardel this
Saturday.
Carlos de Chey
Carlos:
Be sure you dance directly behind Burl. Find another teacher
to dance in front of him. Show Burl what a real "mordita"
feels like.
Michael
Washington, DC
Love to watch but I'm going to the Washington marathon. Such
a shame that subway closes at midnight Thursday and Sunday
nights. In New York, the subway never closes.
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:52:50 -0800
From: Michael Figart II <michaelfigart@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, but I'll
always take Robin Thomas in front of me and Ney Melo
behind..........
Ciao,
Michael in Houston
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:09:15 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
Dear Michael:
If you do not know any Argentine tango teachers in New
York, then you are missing the dance...lol. It is
called Argentine tango because it comes from the
Argentines.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 Cell
--- Michael Figart II <michaelfigart@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, but I'll
> always take Robin Thomas in front of me and Ney Melo
> behind..........
> Ciao,
> Michael in Houston
>
>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:50:09 -0500
From: Jak Karako <jak@BAILATANGO.COM>
Subject: Tyranous Tango Teacher
>I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, ...
Several years ago there was a brief attempt to start a tango tachers association in New York City. The list had 90 names on it. I am sure it has grown ever since. Some of my students are now teaching.
Long live competition.
Jak
917 575 1798
www.BailaTango.com/ny/
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:08:33 -0800
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
Wow,
We would be happy to have 90 dancers...
Sean
--- Jak Karako <jak@BAILATANGO.COM> wrote:
Several years ago there was a brief attempt to start a
tango tachers association in New York City. The list
had 90 names on it. I am sure it has grown ever since.
Some of my students are now teaching. Long live
competition.
Jak
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:17:27 +0000
From: Lucia <curvasreales@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
So all NYC dancers are teachers...Are they so good?
Lucia ;->
Jak Karako <jak@BAILATANGO.COM> escribis: >I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, ...
Several years ago there was a brief attempt to start a tango tachers association in New York City. The list had 90 names on it. I am sure it has grown ever since. Some of my students are now teaching.
Long live competition.
Jak
917 575 1798
www.BailaTango.com/ny/
Abrm tu cuenta aqum
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:30:00 -0500
From: Stephane Fymat <stephane_fymat@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
Yeah, we're all professionals in our own minds! And we use the milongas to
prove it to everyone else ;p)
Stephane
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:17 PM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tyranous Tango Teacher
So all NYC dancers are teachers...Are they so good?
Lucia ;->
Jak Karako <jak@BAILATANGO.COM> escribis: >I don't know many tango teachers
in NYC, ...
Several years ago there was a brief attempt to start a tango tachers
association in New York City. The list had 90 names on it. I am sure it has
grown ever since. Some of my students are now teaching.
Long live competition.
Jak
917 575 1798
www.BailaTango.com/ny/
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:21:11 -0500
From: "Jak Karako BailaTango.com" <jak@BAILATANGO.COM>
Subject: Tyranous Tango Teacher
good or not, there is still value of having a lot of active teachers.
Collectively we bring lots of new faces to the tango scene. The wise dancers ultimately chose the instructors they benefit the most.
Jak
917 575 1798
www.BailaTango.com/ny/
>So all NYC dancers are teachers...Are they so good?
>
> Lucia ;->
>
>Jak Karako <jak@BAILATANGO.COM> escribis: >I don't know many tango teachers
>in NYC, ...
>
>
>Several years ago there was a brief attempt to start a tango tachers
>association in New York City. The list had 90 names on it. I am sure it has
>grown ever since. Some of my students are now teaching.
>Long live competition.
>
>Jak
>917 575 1798
>www.BailaTango.com/ny/
>
>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:56:11 EST
From: Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem, Derik... Michael didn't say
"any" he said "many" and that's a major difference.
El Bandito de Tango
In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:09:52 Pacific Standard Time,
rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM writes:
Dear Michael:
If you do not know any Argentine tango teachers in New
York, then you are missing the dance...lol. It is
called Argentine tango because it comes from the
Argentines.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 Cell
--- Michael Figart II <michaelfigart@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, but I'll
> always take Robin Thomas in front of me and Ney Melo
> behind..........
> Ciao,
> Michael in Houston
>
>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:52:24 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
Dear Richard:
You are absolutely right about my reading
comprehension problem. "any" does not equal "many".,
but in Michael's case the two words are probably
equal. My mistake.
I doubt if Michael knows any Argentine Tango teachers
in New York outside of Ney Melo and Robin Thomas, who
both come down to Houston regularly to visit us, even
though there are quite a few other Argentine tango
teachers in New York, but I could be wrong about that
too.
By the way, in Paris, there are 180 Argentine tango
teachers and most of them are Argentine. I am
surprised that New York only has 90. I thought that
there would be more than that. Interesting.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM> wrote:
> You seem to have a reading comprehension problem,
> Derik... Michael didn't say
> "any" he said "many" and that's a major difference.
>
> El Bandito de Tango
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:09:52 Pacific
> Standard Time,
> rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM writes:
> Dear Michael:
>
> If you do not know any Argentine tango teachers in
> New
> York, then you are missing the dance...lol. It is
> called Argentine tango because it comes from the
> Argentines.
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> 713-522-0888 Cell
>
>
> --- Michael Figart II <michaelfigart@YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, but I'll
> > always take Robin Thomas in front of me and Ney
> Melo
> > behind..........
> > Ciao,
> > Michael in Houston
> >
> >
>
>
> protection around
>
>
Derik Rawson
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
https://www.rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone
281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
rawsonweb@yahoo.com
Europe/Asia
rawsonweb@compuserve.com
Paris, France
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:13:18 -0500
From: Richard deSousa <mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
So you must be a psychic to be able to read Michael's mind... LOL
I'm glad to hear Paris has lots of Argentine tango teachers... I guess the dancers in Paris need lots of help... LOL
El Bandito de Tango
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:52:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tyranous Tango Teacher
Dear Richard:
You are absolutely right about my reading
comprehension problem. "any" does not equal "many".,
but in Michael's case the two words are probably
equal. My mistake.
I doubt if Michael knows any Argentine Tango teachers
in New York outside of Ney Melo and Robin Thomas, who
both come down to Houston regularly to visit us, even
though there are quite a few other Argentine tango
teachers in New York, but I could be wrong about that
too.
By the way, in Paris, there are 180 Argentine tango
teachers and most of them are Argentine. I am
surprised that New York only has 90. I thought that
there would be more than that. Interesting.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM> wrote:
> You seem to have a reading comprehension problem,
> Derik... Michael didn't say
> "any" he said "many" and that's a major difference.
>
> El Bandito de Tango
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:09:52 Pacific
> Standard Time,
> rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM writes:
> Dear Michael:
>
> If you do not know any Argentine tango teachers in
> New
> York, then you are missing the dance...lol. It is
> called Argentine tango because it comes from the
> Argentines.
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> 713-522-0888 Cell
>
>
> --- Michael Figart II <michaelfigart@YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, but I'll
> > always take Robin Thomas in front of me and Ney
> Melo
> > behind..........
> > Ciao,
> > Michael in Houston
> >
> >
>
>
> protection around
>
>
Derik Rawson
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
https://www.rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone
281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
rawsonweb@yahoo.com
Europe/Asia
rawsonweb@compuserve.com
Paris, France
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:38:32 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tyranous Tango Teacher
Dear Richard:
Michael is a very predictable person. Copies everyone
and tries to take credit for their stuff. Not an
original thinker exactly.
The tango teachers in Paris are the ones who need
help. It is a tough market to survive in. You have to
be really great with all the Argentine competition.
Not so in most parts of the USA. Here teachers get
away with a lot, because the dancers are mostly
ignorant about Argentine tango.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- Richard deSousa <mallpasso@AOL.COM> wrote:
> So you must be a psychic to be able to read
> Michael's mind... LOL
>
> I'm glad to hear Paris has lots of Argentine tango
> teachers... I guess the dancers in Paris need lots
> of help... LOL
>
> El Bandito de Tango
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Sent: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:52:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tyranous Tango Teacher
>
>
> Dear Richard:
>
> You are absolutely right about my reading
> comprehension problem. "any" does not equal
> "many".,
> but in Michael's case the two words are probably
> equal. My mistake.
>
> I doubt if Michael knows any Argentine Tango
> teachers
> in New York outside of Ney Melo and Robin Thomas,
> who
> both come down to Houston regularly to visit us,
> even
> though there are quite a few other Argentine tango
> teachers in New York, but I could be wrong about
> that
> too.
>
> By the way, in Paris, there are 180 Argentine tango
> teachers and most of them are Argentine. I am
> surprised that New York only has 90. I thought that
> there would be more than that. Interesting.
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
>
> --- Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> > You seem to have a reading comprehension problem,
> > Derik... Michael didn't say
> > "any" he said "many" and that's a major
> difference.
> >
> > El Bandito de Tango
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:09:52 Pacific
> > Standard Time,
> > rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM writes:
> > Dear Michael:
> >
> > If you do not know any Argentine tango teachers in
> > New
> > York, then you are missing the dance...lol. It is
> > called Argentine tango because it comes from the
> > Argentines.
> >
> > Derik
> > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> > 713-522-0888 Cell
> >
> >
> > --- Michael Figart II <michaelfigart@YAHOO.COM>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know many tango teachers in NYC, but
> I'll
> > > always take Robin Thomas in front of me and Ney
> > Melo
> > > behind..........
> > > Ciao,
> > > Michael in Houston
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > protection around
> >
> >
>
>
> Derik Rawson
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> https://www.rawsonweb.com
> 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell
> Phone
> 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
> d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
> d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
> rawsonweb@yahoo.com
> Europe/Asia
> rawsonweb@compuserve.com
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
> protection around
>
>
Derik Rawson
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
https://www.rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone
281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
rawsonweb@yahoo.com
Europe/Asia
rawsonweb@compuserve.com
Paris, France
