2932 V-COMERCIAL frame.
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:32:12 -0300
From: CARLOS AMOK <desdelejosetejuna@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: V-COMERCIAL frame.
Nicole,
try to learn tngo argentino, is nice.-Please, don't
feel ofended.-
Jus is something that you don't know
NICOLE WRITE:-- bailadora2000@EXCITE.COM escribis:
>
> I don't understand this "parallel frame" that people
> are talking about. From the way it is being
> described on this list, it seems that you want the
> woman directly in front of you. Impossible. In any
> partner dance, the woman has to be slightly to the
> right of the man's chest, not directly center, in
> order to not hit legs, knees, feet, etc. Especially
> since very few leaders I find actually use
> contrabody movement in their walk, but are so stiff
> up top that it's like dancing with a board. The
> position and degree of a "V shape" normally takes
> place depending on the size, frame and height of my
> partners. If he is a little short, or same height
> as me, then it's very difficult to stay parallel, or
> our heads will bump, and prefer to take more of a
> "V-shape". But if he's tall enough that I can
> "snuggle" into him then my position will be more
> "parallel", but still slightly off-center from his
> chest. If he's fat, it's going to be again more
> "V-shape". Each leader is going to require the
> follower to take a different position, including
> placement of her left arm and the position of her
> head. Some guys I feel more comfortable with my
> head to the right of his face, looking behind him,
> sometimes facing right (especially in V-shape),
> sometimes, straight ahead with my head resting on
> his chin or cheek (if tall enough). As I always
> tell my student, just make sure your neck isn't
> turned, but straight, or you will feel it better,
> and make sure your left arm is comfortable and
> supported by yourself, so you don't become weighty.
> Beyond that, frame is going to change for each
> leader that you dance with, so it's impossible to
> say there is only one way of positioning yourself.
>
> My 2 pesos,
> Nicole from Miami
>
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:19:26 +0200
From: B?IkVjc2VkeSDBcm9uIiA?= <aron@MILONGA.HU>
Subject: Re: V-COMERCIAL frame.
Dear Carlos and everyone else,
If you think about it objectively, the most organic position would be a
V-shape.
A true parallel hold is physically not possible (unless you are kissing)
because of your heads. A slight shift to the right is always there
(small as it may be). Of course the feeling is slightly different, but I
cannot see any technical differences in the basic idea of the
lead/follow because of this. (of course you have to consider that the
relative 'default' position of the follower is slightly different)
Also if you dance completely parallel, you'll have to turn your left
(ladies right) arms (shoulder) out quite a bit to be able to hold hands.
Of course it is not impossible and if you are used to it you might even
feel comfortable like that - and there are quite a number of people who
dance this way.
I wouldn't vote for one or the other, since (respected) dancers use both
of these. I think this is simply one of those style-related debates.
I've seen dancers in a recognizable V-hold who are considered very
authentic and 'milonguero', so I wouldn't condemn V-shape as non
authentic. (actually canyengue uses a sort of a v-shape)
With a partner of the same height as me or taller (I am 170cm tall -
that's around 5 foot 7 inches - so it happens often) it is not so
comfortable to dance in parallel hold.
Cheers,
Aron
From Hungary
> Nicole,
> try to learn tngo argentino, is nice.-Please, don't feel
> ofended.- Jus is something that you don't know
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:24:56 -0400
From: bailadora2000@EXCITE.COM
Subject: Re: V-COMERCIAL frame.
Carlos wrote:
Nicole,
try to learn tngo argentino, is nice.-Please, don't
feel ofended.-
Jus is something that you don't know
Oh, I hate "tooting my own horn" because I think it is distasteful, but Carlos, you don't know me, and if you did know me, or anyone in Miami who knew me, you would know I'm a very good Argentine tango dancer, well respected, and working quite a bit as a professional tango dancer and teacher because of that. I am asked to dance with most of the top dancers here and that come into this town. I've been dancing Tango Argentino for only 4 1/2 years now, but have earned my place in this dance to speak of the things I DO know about.
Nicole in Miami
--- On Wed 10/27, CARLOS AMOK < desdelejosetejuna@yahoo.com.ar > wrote:
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:32:12 -0300 (ART)
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] V-COMERCIAL frame.
