2937  V-frame refrain

Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:35:27 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: V-frame refrain

Pictures could be worth a thousand of words, but here is good connection
test of whether you are dancing in a close embrace or in V-frame. I have
offered this Litmus test about nine months ago for open embrace "torso"
lead. Try to lead your usual steps with yours and followers arms behind your
respective backs and with eyes closed.

If it turns pink it s a girl!

The embrace in close embrace is just that, there is no leading with arms. On
the other hand the arms are very much a part of a frame, V-frame or open
embrace frame.


This topic becomes repetitive indeed.

Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com

Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:23:52 +1000
From: Gary Barnes <garybarn@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: V-frame refrain

Oleh, (and others): in your close embrace, is it just as easy for you to
dance with arms behind backs as with the 'full hug'?

And, in your close embrace, are you (always) 'nipple to nipple', or do you
find with some women that, even though your chests are parallel, she is not
centred in front of you?

I ask because I can happily lead many things with no arms (though I
wouldn't choose to except as an exercise), but it is definitely easier with
arms. My feeling is that in close embrace, the embrace is the frame, and the
embrace includes the arms. They do not act significantly separately to the
rest of the body, but they are definitely part of how the woman feels my
intention.

And when our chests are not of similar width, I find it much easier to dance
with the woman offset (but still parallel) - by having her left side aligned
with my right (or more accurately perhaps left nipple to right nipple) and
let the other side do as it will. So a narrower woman ends up slightly
offset to my right, and a larger woman to my left.

Statistical summary for myself:

I dance in a variety of embraces depending on partner, music, mood, ronda,
phase of moon.
I prefer close embrace most of the time, with angle of incidence between 0
and 10 degrees.
With some moves, some partners, I open the angle more, but stay in some
chest contact.
If some people somewhere do not want to call what I dance Tango, or
Argentine Tango, that's their right.

I hope you all enjoy all you different tangos!


--

Gary Barnes
Canberra, Australia

"more tango, more often"


it seems that around 28/10/04 4:35 PM, Oleh Kovalchuke at oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM
wrote (among other things):

>
> The embrace in close embrace is just that, there is no leading with arms. On
> the other hand the arms are very much a part of a frame, V-frame or open
> embrace frame.