5484 Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:12:50 -0500
From: "Nussbaum, Martin" <mnussbau@law.nyc.gov>
Subject: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
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Victor, I am not sure what you mean by calling chicho and gustavo too
"polished", unless that means they dance very well. The example you
showed from practica x was, in comparison, like robotic stick figures
without any soul. Before you go calling Chicho too "old" for nuevo, I
think you should look at these two gems. One is Poema, which is a tune I
believe you like, the other Darienzo, both done wonderfully by Chicho,
and show two sides of his style.
Poema, Canaro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGZv6rSRvTo
El Flete, Darienzo,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRflYZfuvY
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:26:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Chicho- I like how he crouches a lot during the dance..it looks so dynamic when he comes out of the crouch.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:15:39 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: "Nussbaum, Martin" <mnussbau@law.nyc.gov>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
> Victor, I am not sure what you mean by calling chicho and gustavo too
> "polished", unless that means they dance very well. The example you
> showed from practica x was, in comparison, like robotic stick figures
> without any soul.
Martin, who you are calling a "robotic stick figure from practica x without
any soul" is actually Jennifer Bratt who has been a member of this list for
many years, and is the ex partner of Robin Thomas (who can be seen in the
pics of Providence, whereever that is, but someone called it one of the
tango capitals of this world recently in here). And I quite like the way she
dances and cannot really see a major difference to the style of the girl
dancing with Chicho in your youtube video.
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:01:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I can't access youtube while at work. But, I can add
that, early on, when everyone said that I had no
tortion, I had 5 lessons with a teacher who had me
watch Chicho and do a series of exercises, in open
embrace, with him.
After those lessons, my dancing was very, very free.
I could move in any direction at any time. That was 9
years ago. All I know is that he saw something in
Chicho that he used, very effectively, in his
teaching!
I don't have videos of Chicho. But, now that you guyz
are dragging me into the modern age of youtube, I'll
definitely take a peek!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:34:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I don't think that's Jennifer. That's not Jennifer's walk
or footwork, which I've been admiring for the past couple
of days in Ann Arbor.
Trini
--- Astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
> Martin, who you are calling a "robotic stick figure from
> practica x without
> any soul" is actually Jennifer Bratt who has been a
> member of this list for
> many years,
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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:32:06 -0500
From: "Nussbaum, Martin" <mnussbau@law.nyc.gov>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
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I was focusing on the leader, the overall impression of the musicality
of the couple. The original post by Victor dissed chicho and gustavo. I
made the statement in comparison to them. Few leaders can measure up to
chicho. Not sure if that is Jennifer, who I agree is a wonderful
dancer. But that leader certainly does not do her skills justice, nor
does he compare to her usual partner, Ney.
-----Original Message-----
From: Astrid [mailto:astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:16 PM
To: Nussbaum, Martin; tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
> Victor, I am not sure what you mean by calling chicho and gustavo too
> "polished", unless that means they dance very well. The example you
> showed from practica x was, in comparison, like robotic stick figures
> without any soul.
Martin, who you are calling a "robotic stick figure from practica x
without any soul" is actually Jennifer Bratt who has been a member of
this list for many years, and is the ex partner of Robin Thomas (who can
be seen in the pics of Providence, whereever that is, but someone called
it one of the tango capitals of this world recently in here). And I
quite like the way she dances and cannot really see a major difference
to the style of the girl dancing with Chicho in your youtube video.
From: Astrid [mailto:astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:16 PM
To: Nussbaum, Martin; tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
> Victor, I am not sure what you mean by calling chicho and gustavo too
> "polished", unless that means they dance very well. The example you
> showed from practica x was, in comparison, like robotic stick figures
> without any soul.
Martin, who you are calling a "robotic stick figure from practica x
without any soul" is actually Jennifer Bratt who has been a member of
this list for many years, and is the ex partner of Robin Thomas (who can
be seen in the pics of Providence, whereever that is, but someone called
it one of the tango capitals of this world recently in here). And I
quite like the way she dances and cannot really see a major difference
to the style of the girl dancing with Chicho in your youtube video.
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I reviewed the original video from the Tango Video Project,
which has a much clearer image. It's definitely not
Jennifer. The woman in the YouTube video has a rounder
face and different hair.
Still an interesting exercise for me in trying to identify
the woman in the YouTube video by how she moved. The
woman's head position, posture, timing, movements, and
ornaments strongly suggested that it was not Jennifer.
Jennifer always has a nice point in her footwork.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- "Nussbaum, Martin" <mnussbau@law.nyc.gov> wrote:
> I was focusing on the leader, the overall impression of
> the musicality
> of the couple. The original post by Victor dissed chicho
> and gustavo. I
> made the statement in comparison to them. Few leaders
> can measure up to
> chicho. Not sure if that is Jennifer, who I agree is a
> wonderful
> dancer. But that leader certainly does not do her skills
> justice, nor
> does he compare to her usual partner, Ney.
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:23:17 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I think the woman is Moira Castellano - the partner of Pablo Inza,
who runs Practica X. I don't know the boy but I suspect he may be
one of their students.
Keith, HK
On Wed Jan 23 8:57 , "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" sent:
>I reviewed the original video from the Tango Video Project,
>which has a much clearer image. It's definitely not
>Jennifer. The woman in the YouTube video has a rounder
>face and different hair.
>
>Still an interesting exercise for me in trying to identify
>the woman in the YouTube video by how she moved. The
>woman's head position, posture, timing, movements, and
>ornaments strongly suggested that it was not Jennifer.
>Jennifer always has a nice point in her footwork.
>
>Trini de Pittsburgh
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:25:50 -0500
From: "Bruno Afonso" <bafonso@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: tango-l@mit.edu
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Hi Guys,
I very much enjoyed these Chicho's interpretations. Very lyrical and
sensitive to me. I have a naive question regarding his embrace. It is
not a very traditional apilado or at least what I kind of conceive as
a more traditional one, where the partners face each other more
"straight forward". I can see how this one looks more confortable for
certain moves and interpretations. I may have been deceived though :)
How do people normally call this style (?) of close embrace? Is it
something you kind of develop yourself - personal preferences, etc -
or a style?
I'm sure he masters it and can dance with any follower but i am
curious as to how followers feel about that embrace versus others.
stay cool
b
On 1/22/08, Nussbaum, Martin <mnussbau@law.nyc.gov> wrote:
>
> Victor, I am not sure what you mean by calling chicho and gustavo too
> "polished", unless that means they dance very well. The example you
> showed from practica x was, in comparison, like robotic stick figures
> without any soul. Before you go calling Chicho too "old" for nuevo, I
> think you should look at these two gems. One is Poema, which is a tune I
> believe you like, the other Darienzo, both done wonderfully by Chicho,
> and show two sides of his style.
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:13:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
To: tango-l@mit.edu
It isn't really close embrace. He has to leave enough
room to use their legs as they do.
I took one of his seminars about 9 years ago in
Amsterdam. I could almost say that I have never been
so close to a woman that I will never see, again! I
partnered with someone from the Netherlands. Our legs
became as one!
I did fairly well in the seminar. But, most people
didn't do so well. A teacher, from BsAs, told me that
the reason that he can do those moves well and most
guys can't is because, typically, only women can stand
with their heels together and their toes pointed
180-degrees apart. So, don't be hard on yourself if
you have difficulty.
One thing to note, as you should note when leading any
sacadas. I am generalizing, and can't think of any
cases where this is not true. I am sure someone will
think of one. Anyway, notice that he points his toe
in the direction that he wants to be facing during the
NEXT step of the sequence.
You will notice that that leaves him room to slide
(so-to-speak) his other foot through and it leaves him
lined up for his next movement.
Also, note the places where his knees are tighter
together above her knees and for how long. He is not
squeezing. It's just part of the signalling process
as she is aware of where he is in relation to her.
Chicho likes to have fun in his workshops. I remember
him asking for 3 volunteer couples to try and hit him
during a song. I volunteered and immediately walked
my partner toward him, cornering him, swiveled, and
touched my back against his. That was pretty cool,
because I was a bit of a newbie and there are some
excellent dancers over there! I guess he was hoping
to illustrate that he could out-navigate anyone.
Oops! :o)
--- Bruno Afonso <bafonso@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I very much enjoyed these Chicho's interpretations.
> Very lyrical and
> sensitive to me. I have a naive question regarding
> his embrace. It is
> not a very traditional apilado or at least what I
> kind of conceive as
> a more traditional one, where the partners face each
> other more
> "straight forward". I can see how this one looks
> more confortable for
> certain moves and interpretations. I may have been
> deceived though :)
>
> How do people normally call this style (?) of close
> embrace? Is it
> something you kind of develop yourself - personal
> preferences, etc -
> or a style?
>
> I'm sure he masters it and can dance with any
> follower but i am
> curious as to how followers feel about that embrace
> versus others.
>
> stay cool
> b
>
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