5302 Volcado demo and questions
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:39:42 EST
From: TangoSherwin@aol.com
Subject: [Tango-L] Volcado demo and questions
Regarding the volcado, link below to an outstanding demo, my 64 dollar
question is: what does the man do to keep the woman on one foot. Does the lady
need to learn what to do or does it come completely from the lead????
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:54:20 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Volcado demo and questions
This video came from a workshop in DC from a couple of
years ago, so unless the poster got permission from
Anne-Sophie and Pablo, it shouldn't be on YouTube. As a
tango organizer, I find this disturbing and potentially
unfair to those who paid for the workshops. Of course if
Anne-Sophie and Pablo gave their permission, that's okay.
As to your question, the man leads, but the woman has to
follow (not anticipate, trust him, etc.). So it's a joint
responsibility.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- TangoSherwin@aol.com wrote:
>
> Regarding the volcado, link below to an outstanding demo,
> my 64 dollar
> question is: what does the man do to keep the woman on
> one foot. Does the lady
> need to learn what to do or does it come completely from
> the lead????
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:24:00 +1100
From: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Volcado demo and questions
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Sherwin,
I assume it is a volcada, I can't see the link for the moment. If it is then it's definitely led. I am not a teacher but this is how I do it. You need to move the follower's axis directly over the foot on which she has her weight so that you can feel the other foot is just off the ground. Then if you step away she has no choice but to lean - nothing else she can do. She needs to know to keep her back straight, but that is all. I find it is easiest to do this if you take a side step around the follower first in the same direction as the foot on which she has her weight forcing her to pivot on that foot. You don't have to do that, but I find this the easiest way to get a follower unequivocally onto one foot otherwise it is not a very easy lead and open to a lot of interpretation.
Start with simple small volcadas, which are the nicest ones anyway, and work your way up from there. Remember those big ones (and sweeping ones) put an enormous strain on the follower's back, so don't hold them too far out or in the hanging position too long. In fact, personally I don't do the big ones at all because they would require weeks of practice to perfect and there are so many other things that are more important that I need to put my time into. I guess I will get to them once I have mastered every conceivable way you can ocho and turn, so that should be in about ten years time ;-).
Victor Bennetts
>Regarding the volcado, link below to an outstanding demo, my 64 >dollar
>question is: what does the man do to keep the woman on one foot. Does >the lady
>need to learn what to do or does it come completely from the lead????
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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 02:45:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Volcado demo and questions
--- Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com> wrote:
> You need to move the
> follower's axis directly over the foot on which she has
> her weight so that you can feel the other foot is just
> off the ground. Then if you step away she has no choice
> but to lean - nothing else she can do.
Actually, she can also step forward.
> I find it is
> easiest to do this if you take a side step around the
> follower first in the same direction as the foot on which
> she has her weight forcing her to pivot on that foot.
I've found a diagonal backward step works best.
Bottom line, though, this is NOT a step one should be
experimenting with on your own. Find a friend who knows
how to do it and have them physically there or else you
could hurt the woman's back, which any woman who has worked
on this can tell you. And it's not fair for her to be
treated like a science project.
Trini de Pittsburgh
P.S. Anne-Sophie was not aware of the video but would like
to be given the proper credit, which is Anne-Sophie Ville
and Pablo Fontana of Washington, DC. Video was taken a
couple of years ago from the DC Marathon, which Anne-Sophie
organizes.
P.P.S. At workshops we host, some visiting instructors who
have allowed videotaping reviews of workshops in the past
are no longer allowing it at all. Unauthorized posting to
YouTube is one reason why.
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh?s most popular social dance!
https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
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