3519 what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:22:21 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Dear friends from tango list
Follows an explanation of the clockwork functioning. The comments made about the predecessor of the clock , the sun dial, related to the position (northern hemisphere - tropic - souther hemisphere) are the same for the milongas dancing in the north and the south.
One checking of this movement would be , that a person at a milonga on the north makes a phone call to a fellow milonguero/a at a southern hemisphere milonga , and ask him/ her to throw pieces of paper at the toilet bowl of the services , while pushing the flush botton .
The person in the milonga of the north will see the papers get down in a counter clockwise pattern , and the person at the southern milonga will see the papers get down in a clockwise pattern. This is called Coriolis effect.
It does not improve the tango dancing , and it does not explain why the line of dance in a milonga is from right to left in circles, but ..... is funny :)
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
buenos aires ( clockwise flush of the toilet bowl )
About the clockwork pattern
Most clocks use Arabic numerals, another right-to-left language. The
real question is why Roman numeral clocks don't go the other way.
Note that the direction of the written language has nothing whatsoever
to do with the way clocks run.
The clock is a mechanical timepiece modeled on its predecessor, the
sundial. North of the Tropic of Cancer, the sun affects the sundial in
the following way:
* Sun rises in the east: shadow falls in the west.
* Sun, at noon, is south: shadow falls in the north.
* Sun sets in the west: shadow falls in the east.
The shadow moves in a W to N to E rotation, which is what we call
"clockwise." When mechanical clocks were invented, this rotation was
duplicated. Regardless of the direction of your written language, the
clock hands move the wrong way half the time!
South of the Tropic of Capricorn, a sundial moves counter-clockwise,
and between the tropics, the motion of the shadow depends on the time
of year. Had the clock been an invention of South American Indians or
Southern Africans, "clockwise" would likely mean the opposite
rotation.
A tu celular ?no le falta algo?
Usa Yahoo! Messenger y Correo Yahoo! en tu telifono celular.
Mas informacisn aqum.
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:34:54 -0600
From: Chas Gale <hotchango@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Thanks Alberto, this is some very useful information. But please tell me
in which direction do the toilets flush on the Equator?
A tip for those traveling north: You will use less gasoline if you turn
the map upside-down so that you are traveling down hill.
But I think what Mr. Lima was really trying to say/ask (but let's face
it: can we ever really know what Mr. Lima is trying to say or can we
assume he is again simply trying to cause trouble... I love that about
him.) is: can one tell, based on the nature of the resulting contusion
whether a collision came from a person moving clockwise or counter
clockwise? And can one determine whether one was assaulted by another
dancer or one of those moving walls Sean was telling us about? Or, if
knocked to the ground, can one determine any of this by how one hits the
floor: face down, face up or on the side?
Which brings me to another question. It has been suggested that we
leaders situate ourselves between our follower and any potential
oncoming collision. If though we are actually knocked to the floor,
would it not be better to put her in line with the collision so that she
lands on top of us when we land? It might be a lot more fun for us to
land on top of her but probably less injurious for her if we situate
ourselves between she and the floor. Perhaps part of the dance
negotiations could include asking her if she likes it on top? Or,
ultimately, could I bear the brunt of the collision but then rotate the
frame (mid air) so that she still lands on top of me? If so, what would
this figure be called?
Please, can anyone help me with these gripping questions?
Chas "Wondering about equatorial toilet flushing" Gale
https://www.thetangohouse.com
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:22 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Dear friends from tango list
""" The person in the milonga of the north will see the papers get down
in a counter clockwise pattern , and the person at the southern milonga
will see the papers get down in a clockwise pattern. This is called
Coriolis effect. """
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
buenos aires ( clockwise flush of the toilet bowl )
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:51:32 -0400
From: John Gleeson <johngleeson1@VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Albert,
How does the person in the northern hemisphere see the pieces go down the toilet bowl if they are thrown into a toilet in the
southern hemisphere? Surely that's too much to expect even with Superman-type long-distance vision !
And wouldn't both of them see the pieces going down in the same clockwise fashion since the pieces are to be thrown into a toilet in
the southern hemisphere??
:<)
John G.
BTW - I believe that the direction of counter-clockwise movement is dictated by the posture of the couple in modern style dancing -
the open side is to the left of the man/leader and hence navigation (awareness of the floor conditions) is improved when travelling
counter-clockwise (aka "anti-clockwise" -that's the English effect :<)
BTW - BTW - it's not typically a circular movement anyway - more of a rectangular / squarish movement with rounded corners :<) :<)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
> Dear friends from tango list
>
> Follows an explanation of the clockwork functioning. The comments made about the predecessor of the clock , the sun dial, related
> to the position (northern hemisphere - tropic - souther hemisphere) are the same for the milongas dancing in the north and the
> south.
>
> One checking of this movement would be , that a person at a milonga on the north makes a phone call to a fellow milonguero/a at a
> southern hemisphere milonga , and ask him/ her to throw pieces of paper at the toilet bowl of the services , while pushing the
> flush botton .
>
> The person in the milonga of the north will see the papers get down in a counter clockwise pattern , and the person at the
> southern milonga will see the papers get down in a clockwise pattern. This is called Coriolis effect.
>
> It does not improve the tango dancing , and it does not explain why the line of dance in a milonga is from right to left in
> circles, but ..... is funny :)
>
>
> warm regards
> alberto gesualdi
> buenos aires ( clockwise flush of the toilet bowl )
>
> About the clockwork pattern
>
>
> Most clocks use Arabic numerals, another right-to-left language. The
> real question is why Roman numeral clocks don't go the other way.
>
> Note that the direction of the written language has nothing whatsoever
> to do with the way clocks run.
>
> The clock is a mechanical timepiece modeled on its predecessor, the
> sundial. North of the Tropic of Cancer, the sun affects the sundial in
> the following way:
> * Sun rises in the east: shadow falls in the west.
> * Sun, at noon, is south: shadow falls in the north.
> * Sun sets in the west: shadow falls in the east.
>
> The shadow moves in a W to N to E rotation, which is what we call
> "clockwise." When mechanical clocks were invented, this rotation was
> duplicated. Regardless of the direction of your written language, the
> clock hands move the wrong way half the time!
>
> South of the Tropic of Capricorn, a sundial moves counter-clockwise,
> and between the tropics, the motion of the shadow depends on the time
> of year. Had the clock been an invention of South American Indians or
> Southern Africans, "clockwise" would likely mean the opposite
> rotation.
>
>
>
> A tu celular ?no le falta algo?
> Usa Yahoo! Messenger y Correo Yahoo! en tu telifono celular.
> Mas informacisn aqum.
>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:49:18 -0400
From: John Gleeson <johngleeson1@VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Chas Gale asks:
> But please tell me in which direction do the toilets flush on the Equator?
If the earth was straight up on it's axis, they wouldn't flush at all, and it
would be a major problem for some good folks.
But since the earth is inclined 23o(degrees) off kilter, axis-wise, all
toilets either flush clock-wise or counter-clockwise depending on who
is making the phone call. Neat design, eh?
:<)
John G.
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:26:16 -0300
From: Juan Fabbri <JFabbri@TANGOCITY.COM>
Subject: RES: [TANGO-L] what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Is this still a Tango related forum ?
Or a toilet flush and light bulbs subjects one ?
I'm a little tired of all this bullshit ...
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De: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango em nome de John Gleeson
Enviada: sex 17/6/05 15:49
Para: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Assunto: Re: [TANGO-L] what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Chas Gale asks:
> But please tell me in which direction do the toilets flush on the Equator?
If the earth was straight up on it's axis, they wouldn't flush at all, and it
would be a major problem for some good folks.
But since the earth is inclined 23o(degrees) off kilter, axis-wise, all
toilets either flush clock-wise or counter-clockwise depending on who
is making the phone call. Neat design, eh?
:<)
John G.
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:50:28 -0700
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Hi John and listeros,
But the earth IS straight up on its axis. Its axis of
rotation. This axis is offset by a bit, i.e. not
perpendicular relative to the plane of rotation around
the sun.
I think how the water spinning occurs is anything
that's closer to the equator goes around at a higher
speed and it drags the rest around. Kinda like weather
systems. You know hurricanes and such.
In any case the CW/CCW vortex effect has nothing to do
with the position of the sun but rather with one's
latitude.
Mr Lima, what you call the x-volcada is a vastly
underperformed move that never fails to draw a
surprised Ooooh from the crowd, and even an occasional
Esssaaah! I have performed two beauties of x-volcadas
this past year, thanks to the awesome expertise of
this leader who made me do this move I never suspected
I was capable of. He is (still) my favorite leader. No
really. We dance Kung Fu Tangu in close embrace. It's
fabulous. And please nobody complain, we've never
collided with you, he's an awesome navigator.
Please let's have more of these funny exchanges on the
list. We tango for FUN, remember?
Tine
--- John Gleeson <johngleeson1@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
> Chas Gale asks:
>
> > But please tell me in which direction do the
> toilets flush on the Equator?
>
> If the earth was straight up on it's axis, they
> wouldn't flush at all, and it
> would be a major problem for some good folks.
> But since the earth is inclined 23o(degrees) off
> kilter, axis-wise, all
> toilets either flush clock-wise or
> counter-clockwise depending on who
> is making the phone call. Neat design, eh?
>
> :<)
>
> John G.
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:38:05 -0700
From: Huck Kennedy <huck@ENSMTP1.EAS.ASU.EDU>
Subject: Re: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Okay, now how many of you who had never been
in the southern hemisphere before, upon first
checking into your hotel room in Buenos Aires on
your first trip, did not immediately head into the
bathroom, plug the drain into the sink, fill it up
and let it settle, and then carefully pull the plug
to see for yourself if the water would really go
down clockwise?
Come on now, be honest.
Huck
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:58:45 EDT
From: Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
I hate to ruin everybody's fun but this is an urban legend... :
_https://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html_
(https://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html)
El Bandito de Tango
In a message dated 6/17/2005 17:41:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
huck@ENSMTP1.EAS.ASU.EDU writes:
Okay, now how many of you who had never been
in the southern hemisphere before, upon first
checking into your hotel room in Buenos Aires on
your first trip, did not immediately head into the
bathroom, plug the drain into the sink, fill it up
and let it settle, and then carefully pull the plug
to see for yourself if the water would really go
down clockwise?
Come on now, be honest.
Huck
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:45:59 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: what do you mean when you say counter clockwise
Chas wrote:
It has been suggested that we
> leaders situate ourselves between our follower and any potential
> oncoming collision. If though we are actually knocked to the floor,
> would it not be better to put her in line with the collision so that she
> lands on top of us when we land? It might be a lot more fun for us to
> land on top of her but probably less injurious for her if we situate
> ourselves between she and the floor. Perhaps part of the dance
> negotiations could include asking her if she likes it on top? Or,
> ultimately, could I bear the brunt of the collision but then rotate the
> frame (mid air) so that she still lands on top of me? If so, what would
> this figure be called?
>
> Please, can anyone help me with these gripping questions?
>
Here, Astrid is stepping forward to come to your assistence in this terrible
dilemma:
This is what as true macho does:
Once I went to that little Argentine club in Berlin, and danced with an old
friend. Now, this tanguero, in his late fifties or so, had just been
released from hospital the week before, after an operation, and he was
already out dancing tango again. He also, as always, loved to do all kinds
of showy things, and at some point, he wrapped my leg around his waist, and
started to circle around me. Being a beginner in those days, my balance was
not great, and he had to support me, but his power was not yet quite the
same as before. So, suddenly, we both toppled to the floor.
Later I said to his Argentine friends:"Oh, that must have been very
embarrassing for him." One of them answered:"But Lito is a true gentleman.
Did you see, when you fell, he rolled over and quickly placed himself
underneath to catch you, so you would not hurt yourself ?"
