5748  World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:30:59 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko
To: Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>


Dear friends,

The World Tango Competition in Buenos Aires finished last week.

The first place in "Salon Style" (social dancing) went to a Japanese couple,
Hiroshi and Kyoko Yamao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRrBU0ErKDg

Notice that the tango style used in all the competitions is "tango tradicional"
(Traditional Tango) as it has been taught all over the world by the great tango teachers such as Carlos Copes, Nito and Elba, Osvaldo Zotto, Puppy Costello,
Mingo Pugliese, Diego Di Falco, Carlos Copello, Gavito, and many others.

Tango Traditional and Estilo Villa Urquiza are the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKwlESEkTtY&NR=1

Best regards, Sergio

PS. Do you think that there should be competitions in the other styles as well?


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:13:41 +0200
From: Franz Zimmer <Franz.Zimmer@web.de>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko
To: tango-l@mit.edu


There are no tango styles.

And there is no world championship in tango - tango is no sport.

This is a commerial tourism marketing show.




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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:34:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko


--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the update, Sergio. And heartiest congratulations to Hiroshi and Kyoko.

> PS. Do you think that there should be competitions in the
> other styles as well?

I don't think it's necessary. The competition is basically divided up into social (salon) tango and show tango. I think that's enough of a division that encourages creativity but still respects the roots and purpose of the dance.

When the competition first started, I really didn't like the idea of it. But now, I see where it can help define what is and what is not Argentine tango as it evolves. That can be a good thing.


Trini de Pittsburgh

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:27:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko
To: tango-l@mit.edu

The local newspaper Clarin made a short interview to this japanese couple winner of 2009 edition , salon category.
I will translate a comment
"
When we ask them wether the tango is better danced in Buenos Aires or in Tokyo, they admit that here (Bs As)"there is better atmosphere and more feeling", but also warn? that the japanese discipline is a lot more than the argentine one. " The japanese people learn very, really very, well".
?
Hiroshi & Kyoko have an internet page? (www.hiroshikyoko.com) where they are seen dancing with lighthearted step some tango. And it is clear that they know much more about local milongas in buenos aires, than native people born in a porte?o neighbourhood.

The milongas at ?Club Sunderland, Sin Rumbo (both in Villa Urquiza), La Baldosa (Flores) and Glorias Argentinas (Mataderos) are their preferred. They say that they avoid to go to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas, Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance, is where the real tango is.
?
?
?



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De: Franz Zimmer <Franz.Zimmer@web.de>
Para: tango-l@mit.edu
Enviado: mi?rcoles 2 de septiembre de 2009, 15:13:41
Asunto: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko


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This is a commerial tourism marketing show.




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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:52:19 -0300
From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<ca2c2380909031952g31a9e998w8118a0630ca72054@mail.gmail.com>

> They say that they avoid to go to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas, Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance, is where the real tango is.<

I find this statement amusing.... or something.....This "foreign"
couple doesn't like dancing where the "foreigners" dance.....

So to loosely quote Woody Allen "They'd never join a club that would
allow people like them to become members?" WTF?

Brick Robbins

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko

Yep, more "tango snobs", eh? They're apparently, everywhere, like the "real tango". The context is everywhere in the city! It knows no special barrio/milonga, runs through the blood of the rioplatense people and cannot be denied, whether they know the steps or not: the secadas and pasos they use every day, just to move through the streets; the taxi driver singing "Volver", while driving me to a practica; the old, finely dressed couple that meets every Wed. afternoon, in Ideal, to enjoy one another's embrace, for a few magical hours; the babies hearing tango from inside the womb. It's all an organic, external expression of the internal, criollo culture and those who happen to appreciate/study it....wherever they happen to dance....Japan, Paris or Sunderland. (Not to mention the consistently revivifying role of "foreigners" in the history of tango...always better to "mix the bloodlines"(criollo), for more strength and vitality. Gotta love Woody
Allen's piquant, perfect and true comment, though(although I think it was first coined by Groucho Marx)....sooo funny!! Reminds me of another funny writer...WS, with his pithy/poignant "What fools these mortals be!"(Midsummer's Night's Dream?)

dblack

--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com> wrote:

> From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
> Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 9:52 PM
> > They say that they avoid to go
> to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are
> full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas,
> Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance,
> is where the real tango is.<
>
> I find this statement amusing.... or something.....This
> "foreign"
> couple doesn't like dancing where the "foreigners"
> dance.....
>
> So to loosely quote Woody Allen "They'd never join a club
> that would
> allow people like them to become members?"? WTF?
>
> Brick Robbins
>

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Fw: Re: World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko



--- On Fri, 9/4/09, dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko
> To: "dierdre black" <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 5:13 PM
> Dear TAngoL....thanks, for posting
> this.....as I see it, I realize there needs to be another
> parentheses, for clarity, after the word "vitality". I don't
> suppose there's a way you can edit that, from your
> end?? Thanks, db
>
> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: dierdre black <dblioness2000@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi
> and Kyoko
> "Tango List" <tango-l-request@mit.edu>
> > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:56 PM
> > Yep, more "tango snobs", eh? They're
> > apparently, everywhere, like the "real tango".? The
> > context is everywhere in the city!? It knows no
> special
> > barrio/milonga, runs through the blood of the
> rioplatense
> > people and cannot be denied, whether they know the
> steps or
> > not:? the secadas and pasos they use every day, just
> to
> > move through the streets; the taxi driver singing
> "Volver",
> > while driving me to a practica; the old, finely
> dressed
> > couple that meets every Wed. afternoon, in Ideal, to
> enjoy
> > one another's embrace, for a few magical hours; the
> babies
> > hearing tango from inside the womb.? It's all an
> > organic, external expression of the internal, criollo
> > culture and those who happen to appreciate/study
> > it....wherever they happen to dance....Japan, Paris
> or
> > Sunderland. (Not to mention the consistently
> revivifying
> > role of "foreigners" in the history of tango...always
> better
> > to "mix the bloodlines"(criollo), for more strength
> and
> > vitality.? Gotta love Woody
> >? Allen's piquant, perfect and true comment,
> though(although
> > I think it was first coined by Groucho Marx)....sooo
> funny!!
> > Reminds me of another funny writer...WS, with his
> > pithy/poignant "What fools these mortals
> be!"(Midsummer's
> > Night's Dream?)
> >
> > dblack
> >
> > --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions
> Hiroshi
> > and Kyoko
> > > To: tango-l@mit.edu
> > > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 9:52 PM
> > > > They say that they avoid to go
> > > to downtown milongas, since , in their own words
> "
> > they are
> > > full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood
> > milogas,
> > > Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran
> couples
> > dance,
> > > is where the real tango is.<
> > >
> > > I find this statement amusing.... or
> > something.....This
> > > "foreign"
> > > couple doesn't like dancing where the
> "foreigners"
> > > dance.....
> > >
> > > So to loosely quote Woody Allen "They'd never
> join a
> > club
> > > that would
> > > allow people like them to become members?"?
> WTF?
> > >
> > > Brick Robbins
> > >
> >
> >
> > ? ? ?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:57:21 -0300
From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<ca2c2380909100057j54acd7fcj5217569020069b64@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Brick Robbins<brick@fastpack.com> wrote:

>> They say that they avoid to go to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas, Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance, is where the real tango is.<

I had the pleasure of sharing the floor tonight at TangoLab with
"World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko." Any snide comments I may
have made quoting Woody Allen, or Groucho Marx or whomever, were based
upon the quote above, and not upon the observed reality, so I withdraw
my comment. I'd guess that the quote above was manufactured for the
article. Of course TangoLab is in Palermo, not downtown, so that part
was correct at least.

I would like to thank list members Cheri, Deby and Dierdre, for
helping introduce me to tango here.

And FWIW, the Buenos Aires I've found in my 3 weeks here so far, bears
little resemblance to the BsAs that I read about on this list, but
that, as they say, is another story....