2383 Zen and the Tango connection
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:42:56 -0500
From: Leonard Kunkel <image10@SWBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Zen and the Tango connection
Zen is touted as a non religion? Religion is a worship of someone or
something. But then what is Zen? My impression is that It is not love of
someone else or love of God but love and worship of ones self. And
shortly to follow is love of mother earth. Worship of the created and
not the creator.
It reminds me of the hippie culture that I grew up with in the late 60's
and early 70's. I find some of the speak interesting but most of it is
double speak and can be interrupted as the listener wishes while touting
itself as enlightment. Instead of sitting and contemplating your navel,
Zen now would have you walk in an embrace around a dance floor
contemplating your navel. You don't need Zen to know how to breath or to
walk or etc.
I feel that this Zen connection to Tango has come about because people
are desperately trying to put into words what tango is and the fact of
the matter is, it cannot be expressed in words. Tango is a body language
so words will always fall far short.
I have studied and now teach Argentine tango for 10 years. I am
dedicated to the dance and making a connection with my partner for 3 to
5 minute embrace. And I am also a Christian. There is no room in my
llife for Zen. I will not knowingly connect with a Zenner for they will
drain from me rather than contributing to the moment.
The Zen statement that, "good is bad/evil and bad/evil is good" is all
my discernment needed to hear.
I hope and pray that this movement is not a continuing thing but will
quietly fade away as did the love children of the 60's and 70's.
Best wishes,
Leonardo K.
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:49:44 -0400
From: John Manuel <jrmanuel@ACM.ORG>
Subject: Re: Zen and the Tango connection
I'm not a Buddhist, Zen or otherwise, but I have read a few books on
Buddhism. If you're curious about Zen Buddhism, here's a link to get you
started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_buddhism
We now return you to your regular programming...
John
-----Original Message-----
Sent: April 13, 2004 18:43
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Zen and the Tango connection
Zen is touted as a non religion? Religion is a worship of someone or
something. But then what is Zen? My impression is that It is not love of
someone else or love of God but love and worship of ones self. And shortly
to follow is love of mother earth. Worship of the created and not the
creator.
It reminds me of the hippie culture that I grew up with in the late 60's and
early 70's. I find some of the speak interesting but most of it is double
speak and can be interrupted as the listener wishes while touting itself as
enlightment. Instead of sitting and contemplating your navel, Zen now would
have you walk in an embrace around a dance floor contemplating your navel.
You don't need Zen to know how to breath or to walk or etc.
I feel that this Zen connection to Tango has come about because people are
desperately trying to put into words what tango is and the fact of the
matter is, it cannot be expressed in words. Tango is a body language so
words will always fall far short.
I have studied and now teach Argentine tango for 10 years. I am dedicated to
the dance and making a connection with my partner for 3 to
5 minute embrace. And I am also a Christian. There is no room in my llife
for Zen. I will not knowingly connect with a Zenner for they will drain from
me rather than contributing to the moment.
The Zen statement that, "good is bad/evil and bad/evil is good" is all my
discernment needed to hear.
I hope and pray that this movement is not a continuing thing but will
quietly fade away as did the love children of the 60's and 70's.
Best wishes,
Leonardo K.
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:55:20 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Zen and the Tango connection
> Zen is touted as a non religion? Religion is a worship of someone or
> something. But then what is Zen? My impression is that It is not love of
> someone else or love of God but love and worship of ones self.
For God's, sake, Leonardo. (excuse the pun). Now I have spent weeks
receiving advocations for spam tolerance, flaming, insults, people
advertising themselves, postings about things that have been discussed and
analysed on this list umpteen times before, and now this ! Christian bigotry
in relation to tango teaching.
Leonardo, you have understood nothing about Zen. What you think it is, is
totally off the mark. Please spare us from further comments on this subject.
I live in Japan, and I can't take it (yes, I knw, that I have a delete
button, nobody remind me,please). If you want to know about Zen and tango,
please (and this goes for everyone else who writes on a topic he is not
quite sure about) check the archive, I hope it is working this time,and you
may find some reasonably well informed postings, naturally along with some
new agey rubbish, that sounds more like speaking about a fashion fad than
about Zen. But it is easier to tolerate than this.
Pondering, whether I should follow Stephen Brown's footsteps and get you of
here too
Astrid in Tokyo
P.S.
Sorry for this off topic rant. I have lost my patience this morning.
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:59:46 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Zen and the Tango connection (typo)
Pondering, whether I should follow Stephen Brown's footsteps and get you
of
> here too
>
Oops. I meant, get out of here, too. Too upset to spell.
Astrid
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:11:32 EDT
From: Crrtango@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango connection
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
Jack,
First, we don't disagree at all about the importance of the connection.
Feeling a connection is one of the rewards that comes from improving and
perfecting your dancing. Second, plenty of people claim that they can teach
connection and always have...that doesn't mean they can. You may think you
have learned connection but what do your partners think? A one-sided
connection is an oxymoron. The only connection is between your money and the
teachers wallet. I think they should be ashamed for making such an outrageous
claim, especially to a beginner.
Charles
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