3204 The woman and the man leading .
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:13:40 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: The woman and the man leading .
Derik says: "To me ...Tango is a conversation, and the great women
tango dancers in this dance are the very strong
independent females. They fight with me, stop me,
move my foot during a "prada"....set me off in a
direction that is different than what I was planning
to do. Now that is interesting.... They do not ask
me for permission to follow them, they make me follow
them....lol. "
In first place I say: Derik should be allowed to dance the way he likes as
described above.
We only wish he can find enough strong, independent females as he likes
them. Should he come to our milongas we will gladly let him have all of
them...
Tango is a conversation of two people, two souls, as such it can be carried
out in many ways:
He talks , she listens, then she answers. He waits for her to end her phrase
(within the frame of time he allowed) and then he talks again. An orderly
conversation in the classical tango fashion.
Or both talk at the same time, or he has a subject in mind and she
interrupts and talks about the weather. He says - it is going to rain - she
talks about Mozart.
Or as they say here: at the beginning he talks and she listens, later on she
talks and he does not listen and at the end both shout and the neighbors
listen. ;))
There is room for any taste in life as well as in tango but in the classical
way: the man is in charge and she follows otherwise she" interferes " with
his dancing and ...he does not ask her to dance again.
By the way in Argentina we say el hombre "MARCA" and the woman "SIGUE"
(follows).
The man marca almost everything, including embellishments, he allows the
necessary time for her to answer his marca. He has the initiative and she
responds. Should she have an initiative, that would or could interfere
with what he has in mind, which is absolutely unknown to her.
There are some men that do not mark properly, this allows the woman to
become confused and answer in an unexpected way. When the man knows how to
lead (marcar) properly she has no doubts and follows with pleasure and ease.
Having said that I should mention that there are frequently several ways to
answer a proposal, depending on the time allowed by the man, the music, the
mood, the space, etc. It is in this fashion that the woman exhibits her
artistic interpretation of the music and her feelings at the moment but
never interfering with his thought processes. Back leading is out of the
question.
This is the way I like to dance, now you may dance the way you like as well.
No problem whatsoever!.
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:45:30 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: The woman and the man leading .
Dear Sergio, I agree. Interference NO, redirection
toward something more interesting, YES. Derik
--- TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
<sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Derik says: "To me ...Tango is a conversation, and
the great women
> tango dancers in this dance are the very strong
> independent females. They fight with me, stop me,
> move my foot during a "prada"....set me off in a
> direction that is different than what I was planning
> to do. Now that is interesting.... They do not ask
> me for permission to follow them, they make me
follow
> them....lol. "
>
> In first place I say: Derik should be allowed to
dance the way he likes as
> described above.
> We only wish he can find enough strong, independent
females as he likes
> them. Should he come to our milongas we will gladly
let him have all of
> them...
>
> Tango is a conversation of two people, two souls, as
such it can be carried
> out in many ways:
> He talks , she listens, then she answers. He waits
for her to end her phrase
> (within the frame of time he allowed) and then he
talks again. An orderly
> conversation in the classical tango fashion.
>
> Or both talk at the same time, or he has a subject
in mind and she
> interrupts and talks about the weather. He says - it
is going to rain - she
> talks about Mozart.
>
> Or as they say here: at the beginning he talks and
she listens, later on she
> talks and he does not listen and at the end both
shout and the neighbors
> listen. ;))
>
> There is room for any taste in life as well as in
tango but in the classical
> way: the man is in charge and she follows otherwise
she" interferes " with
> his dancing and ...he does not ask her to dance
again.
>
> By the way in Argentina we say el hombre "MARCA" and
the woman "SIGUE"
> (follows).
>
> The man marca almost everything, including
embellishments, he allows the
> necessary time for her to answer his marca. He has
the initiative and she
> responds. Should she have an initiative, that would
or could interfere
> with what he has in mind, which is absolutely
unknown to her.
>
> There are some men that do not mark properly, this
allows the woman to
> become confused and answer in an unexpected way.
When the man knows how to
> lead (marcar) properly she has no doubts and follows
with pleasure and ease.
>
> Having said that I should mention that there are
frequently several ways to
> answer a proposal, depending on the time allowed by
the man, the music, the
> mood, the space, etc. It is in this fashion that the
woman exhibits her
> artistic interpretation of the music and her
feelings at the moment but
> never interfering with his thought processes. Back
leading is out of the
> question.
>
> This is the way I like to dance, now you may dance
the way you like as well.
> No problem whatsoever!.
>
>
for advice on how to
> get there!
>
>
> Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
Tango-A rather than to
> Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
subscribe to Tango-A,
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:55:29 -0500
From: Michael <tangomaniac@CAVTEL.NET>
Subject: Re: The woman and the man leading .
It sounds like Derik is talking about interleading, which is taught by Virginia Kelly of New York City at the NY Tango Festivals, which is =
coming up in July (www.celebratetango.com). Daniel Trenner said at the Washington, DC Tango Festival years ago "There is no security in tango." =
The woman doesn't back lead the man to do figures, but she tells him to stop so that she can do something, e.g. sweeping the man's foot after he =
sweeps her foot.
The element of surprise adds to the spice of tango. From the woman's point of view, some want a chance to exhibit their skills from the =
lessons they take but aren't given an opportunity. They get frustrated and decide to create an opportunity for themselves. There's nothing =
wrong with that.
Michael
Washington, DC
5 months to the NY Tango Festival
Dancing on the Staten Island Ferry which celebrates its 100th anniversary
Last year we danced on the subway celebrating its 100th anniversary
----- Original Message -----
From: Sergio Vandekier
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: [TANGO-L] The woman and the man leading .
Derik says: "To me ...Tango is a conversation, and the great women tango dancers in this dance are the very strong
independent females. They fight with me, stop me, move my foot during a "parada"....set me off in a direction that is different than what I =
was planning to do. Now that is interesting.... They do not ask me for permission to follow them, they make me follow them....lol. "
In first place I say: Derik should be allowed to dance the way he likes as described above.
We only wish he can find enough strong, independent females as he likes them. Should he come to our milongas we will gladly let him have =
all of them...
Tango is a conversation of two people, two souls, as such it can be carried
out in many ways:
He talks , she listens, then she answers. He waits for her to end her phrase
(within the frame of time he allowed) and then he talks again. An orderly
conversation in the classical tango fashion.
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:22:12 -0800
From: Joseph Camel <joseph_camel@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: The woman and the man leading .
Last night @ Alex Kerb's Tues night practica, we did a fun
little experiment, as each week. The "follower" would ask
for the next move, a little before it would be led. Such as:
back ochos, boleo, walk to a cross, molinete, right turn,
etc. The next dance, the "leader" would telegraph the moves
to come, verbally, in the same manner. It was really fun
& enlightening...
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:44:43 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: The woman and the man leading .
Dear Michael, Yes, women definitely add spice to the
dance. I was at the last NY Tango Festival and it was
great. Saw a wonder Argentine couple at milonga at
Triangula dancing furiously while laughing and
smiling. To me THAT was tango. Had a blast watching
them. The lead seemed to flow back and forth. Was
beautiful and exciting...like electricity. Derik
--- TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <tangomaniac@CAVTEL.NET>
wrote:
> It sounds like Derik is talking about interleading,
which is taught by
> Virginia Kelly of New York City at the NY Tango
Festivals, which is
> coming up in July (www.celebratetango.com). Daniel
Trenner said at the
> Washington, DC Tango Festival years ago "There is no
security in tango."
> The woman doesn't back lead the man to do figures,
but she tells him to
> stop so that she can do something, e.g. sweeping the
man's foot after he
> sweeps her foot.
>
> The element of surprise adds to the spice of tango.
From the woman's
> point of view, some want a chance to exhibit their
skills from the
> lessons they take but aren't given an opportunity.
They get frustrated
> and decide to create an opportunity for themselves.
There's nothing
> wrong with that.
>
> Michael
> Washington, DC
> 5 months to the NY Tango Festival
> Dancing on the Staten Island Ferry which celebrates
its 100th
> anniversary
> Last year we danced on the subway celebrating its
100th anniversary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sergio Vandekier
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:13 AM
> Subject: [TANGO-L] The woman and the man leading .
>
>
> Derik says: "To me ...Tango is a conversation,
and the great women
> tango dancers in this dance are the very strong
> independent females. They fight with me, stop me,
move my foot during
> a "parada"....set me off in a direction that is
different than what I
> was planning to do. Now that is interesting....
They do not ask me for
> permission to follow them, they make me follow
them....lol. "
>
> In first place I say: Derik should be allowed to
dance the way he
> likes as described above.
> We only wish he can find enough strong,
independent females as he
> likes them. Should he come to our milongas we will
gladly let him have
> all of them...
>
> Tango is a conversation of two people, two souls,
as such it can be
> carried
> out in many ways:
> He talks , she listens, then she answers. He waits
for her to end her
> phrase
> (within the frame of time he allowed) and then he
talks again. An
> orderly
> conversation in the classical tango fashion.
>
>
> Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
Tango-A rather than to
> Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
subscribe to Tango-A,
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
