4190  Andres Amarilla in close embrace

Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:42:34 +0000
From: "Sergio Vandekier" <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Meredith says:

" Some people were having trouble viewing the .mp4 of Andres & Geraldine
that I posted a couple days ago. The video is now available as an
.mov that will play in Quicktime. The file size is large, however, so
it may be best to download it and then watch it, instead of streaming
it.

https://andresamarilla.com/video.htm

Thanks!"

For those that think that any move of tango may be done in close embrace I
recommend that they watch the Andres Amarilla Videos (Nuevo Tango) and try
to reproduce his figures in close embrace.

Good luck, when you are done please kindly make a video and let me see you
doing it.

Have a great time practicing, Sergio.

Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:11:53 -1200
From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace
To: "Sergio Vandekier" <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>,
tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: tangomaniac@cavtel.net

> For those that think that any move of tango may be done in
> close embrace I recommend that they watch the Andres
> Amarilla Videos (Nuevo Tango) and try to reproduce his
> figures in close embrace.
>
> Good luck, when you are done please kindly make a video
> and let me see you doing it.
>
> Have a great time practicing, Sergio.

Without looking at the video, if it's not SOCIAL tango, I'm
not interested.
SHOW tango doesn't interest me.

Michael
Washington, DC

Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace
To: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>, Sergio Vandekier
<sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: tangomaniac@cavtel.net

Dear Michael:

Maybe you and Sean and Trini can demonstrate all these
moves for us in "close embrace all the time" in a
video, but now we suddenly hear than you yourself are
not interested. Why is that????

Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com

--- Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> wrote:

> > For those that think that any move of tango may be
> done in
> > close embrace I recommend that they watch the
> Andres
> > Amarilla Videos (Nuevo Tango) and try to
> reproduce his
> > figures in close embrace.
> >
> > Good luck, when you are done please kindly make
> a video
> > and let me see you doing it.
> >
> > Have a great time practicing, Sergio.
>
> Without looking at the video, if it's not SOCIAL
> tango, I'm
> not interested.
> SHOW tango doesn't interest me.
>
> Michael
> Washington, DC
>
>

Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Linda A." <tangaux02@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace
To: tango-L list <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>

Wow. What an insult. I've seen Andres and
Meredith dance several times at milongas, and not
once have I ever seen them collide with anyone,
or interrupt the flow of the ronda, or fail to
follow the music. Yes, their video clips are
mostly performances, but they're also excellent
social dancers.

--L

Without looking at the video, if it's not SOCIAL
tango, I'm
not interested.
SHOW tango doesn't interest me.

Michael
Washington, DC

Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean \(PATangoS\)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace

Hi Michael,

Sean here. You've seen me dance. I trust you will
agree that no one will ever mistake me for a show
dancer (unless, as Sergio has pointed out, I'm doing
an exhibition ;) And yet, I have started to
incorporate many of the things he taught into my
social dance. Not the steps so much as the broader
concepts like managing energy, managing space, and
managing the embrace. Don't be afraid to explore
instructors with different points of view. They might
provide a key to understanding the more subtle points
of your old favorites.

Derek and I seem to disagree on every possible point,
except that we both like Andres' teaching. There must
be something to that.

Andres was at the same milonga where we last saw each
other. Remember those guys who were making a mess of
the ronda with their flashy moves? Andres wasn't one
of them.

Sean


--- Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> wrote:

Without looking at the video, if it's not SOCIAL
tango, I'm not interested. SHOW tango doesn't interest
me.

Michael
Washington, DC

PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm

Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 08:23:05 -1200
From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace
To: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com, Sergio Vandekier
<sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: tangomaniac@cavtel.net

> Dear Michael:
>
> Maybe you and Sean and Trini can demonstrate all these
> moves for us in "close embrace all the time" in a
> video, but now we suddenly hear than you yourself are
> not interested. Why is that????
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com

Derik:
You have a pernicious habit of stringing extraneous writing
and presenting it as one thought.

When I say social dancing, I mean dancing on a crowded dance
floor where there is insufficient space for wild figures.
Based on Sergio's description of the video, it sounded like
a lot of room is necessary because he wanted to see somebody
execute Andres's figures in close embrace.

If Andres and his partner have the entire floor to
themselves for their video, they can do anything. If they go
to Tom Stermitz's Memorial Day Festival in Denver, they
won't have the space. I went to last year's festival and
found I barely had enough room to breathe.

My definition of social tango is dancing on a crowded dance
floor where navigation is more important than figures. At
the last all night milonga in New York, a careless woman
executed a very high boleo, kicking my partner in the ribs.
The second time she kicked the table we were sitting.

You still haven't answered my question to you. Name some
figures YOU can't do in close embrace.

Better yet, why don't you go down to BA and teach the
Argentines how to dance since you know so much. Go complain
to some milongueros their dance is boring to you. Tell the
DJ his music selection is terrible because he's pacifying
the close embrace crowd. I'm sure I could get a collection
from the list to buy you a ONE WAY plane ticket.

Michael
Washington, DC
Allergies better today

>
> --- Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> wrote:
>
> > > For those that think that any move of tango may be

done in close embrace I recommend that they watch the
Andres Amarilla Videos (Nuevo Tango) and try to reproduce
his figures in close embrace.

> > > Sergio.
> >
> > *************** Without looking at the video, if it's
> > not SOCIAL tango, I'm
> > not interested.
> > SHOW tango doesn't interest me.
> >
> > Michael
> > Washington, DC

Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 22:49:26 +0200
From: "Aron ECSEDY" <aron@milonga.hu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace
To: "Tango-L" <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>

The pros and contras have already been layed out, but this is - again - a
debate over taste.

As for navigation and whether it is social dancing or not - that is entirely
independent from the embrace. I can dance close embrace and easily fill a
15x20m stage if I wish, with boleos, ganchos, back sacadas, whatever and
vice versa.

As for critizing Andres: Michael, you should first check him out at a
milonga and THEN say he can't do something (yes: and tell him first that you
want to see him dancing close embrace, as it is couple's CHOICE to pick one
or another form of embrace).

Aron


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu
> [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:23 PM
> To: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com; Sergio Vandekier; tango-l@mit.edu
> Cc: tangomaniac@cavtel.net
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Andres Amarilla in close embrace
>
> > Dear Michael:
> >
> > Maybe you and Sean and Trini can demonstrate all these
> moves for us in
> > "close embrace all the time" in a video, but now we
> suddenly hear than
> > you yourself are not interested. Why is that????
> >
> > Derik
> > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> ***********
> Derik:
> You have a pernicious habit of stringing extraneous writing
> and presenting it as one thought.
>
> When I say social dancing, I mean dancing on a crowded dance
> floor where there is insufficient space for wild figures.
> Based on Sergio's description of the video, it sounded like a
> lot of room is necessary because he wanted to see somebody
> execute Andres's figures in close embrace.
>
> If Andres and his partner have the entire floor to themselves
> for their video, they can do anything. If they go to Tom
> Stermitz's Memorial Day Festival in Denver, they won't have
> the space. I went to last year's festival and found I barely
> had enough room to breathe.
>
> My definition of social tango is dancing on a crowded dance
> floor where navigation is more important than figures. At the
> last all night milonga in New York, a careless woman executed
> a very high boleo, kicking my partner in the ribs.
> The second time she kicked the table we were sitting.
>
> You still haven't answered my question to you. Name some
> figures YOU can't do in close embrace.
>
> Better yet, why don't you go down to BA and teach the
> Argentines how to dance since you know so much. Go complain
> to some milongueros their dance is boring to you. Tell the DJ
> his music selection is terrible because he's pacifying the
> close embrace crowd. I'm sure I could get a collection from
> the list to buy you a ONE WAY plane ticket.
>
> Michael
> Washington, DC
> Allergies better today
>
> >
> > --- Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > For those that think that any move of tango may be
> done in close embrace I recommend that they watch the Andres
> Amarilla Videos (Nuevo Tango) and try to reproduce his
> figures in close embrace.
> > > > Sergio.
> > >
> > > *************** Without looking at the video, if it's not SOCIAL
> > > tango, I'm not interested.
> > > SHOW tango doesn't interest me.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > > Washington, DC
>