4186 Basta Ya!
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 07:24:06 -0300
From: Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Basta Ya!
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Can we stop beating Derek up? I along with probably the people who
email me off this list are sick of hearing about this topic. Dance
whatever you want, where you want how you want with who you want, but
for God's sake dance instead of pontificating that your style, his
style, that style, no style, along with incompetent, competent, self
appointed, anointed teachers.
I have absolutely no problem with discussions of style, music, or
interactions. But when a conversation turns emotional and personal, it
is time to take it off the floor. You are never going to convince
anyone that their personal experience regardless of what it is, is
wrong. You do not have to agree with someone's experience, but you have
to respect it whether you agree with it or no. A person's experience is
never wrong - it is a personal choice, which we all have the right to make.
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:42:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Club~Tango*La Dolce Vita~ <dani@tango-la-dolce-vita.eu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Basta Ya!
To: Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Hi Deby,
You, yourself - in your posting intended to defend Derik - have just beaten him up again...! Poor guy! >:-))))
In your criticism of his attackers, in reality, you've just criticised Derik himself! After-all, from what I've read, it is HE who pontificates his style, ability etc ...AND criticises those styles/tangueros he doesn't like...! >:-)))))
Let's all give him another thrashing... once 'round again, eh? >:-)))))))
Nothing personal, Derik. It's just that, occasionally, society calls for a nice 'whipping-boy'. You've come along at just the right time to fit the bill ...just perfectly. Well done, son!
Cheers,
Dani
'El Zorro de Tango' >:-)
Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> wrote:
Can we stop beating Derek up? I along with probably the people who
email me off this list are sick of hearing about this topic. Dance
whatever you want, where you want how you want with who you want, but
for God's sake dance instead of pontificating that your style, his
style, that style, no style, along with incompetent, competent, self
appointed, anointed teachers.
I have absolutely no problem with discussions of style, music, or
interactions. But when a conversation turns emotional and personal, it
is time to take it off the floor. You are never going to convince
anyone that their personal experience regardless of what it is, is
wrong. You do not have to agree with someone's experience, but you have
to respect it whether you agree with it or no. A person's experience is
never wrong - it is a personal choice, which we all have the right to make.
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:02:06 +0200
From: "Aron ECSEDY" <aron@milonga.hu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Basta Ya!
To: "Tango-L" <TANGO-L@mit.edu>
> music, or interactions. But when a conversation turns
> emotional and personal, it is time to take it off the floor.
I agree. This whole 'debate' is getting a bit childish.
I dance close embrace and open embrace alike (dependent mostly on partner
and music - both are important IMO). Not necessarily within one dance, but I
do both. They are like two different dances to me (not in technique, but in
feeling), but both are tango. Different aspects, different concept, however,
I would not give up either. As for considering open embrace something "less
than", well I think MY tango is MY dance and NO-ONE on this planet will tell
me how to dance MY dance, thank you. If you don't like it, don't watch it or
don't dance with me. If you read interviews with the great Argentine dancers
of the past, they actually were thinking the same way - they never wanted to
dance like all the others, they wanted to be special, the best.
IMHO This equalizing, copy-oriented, overtraditional approach is the
creation of the 90s. We copy, therefore we think we are a part of an old
tradition. Why don't you continue the tradition rather than canning the old
one? Eg. The biggest problem in international ballroom is canning. The most
important argument on the side of argentine tango is the fact that it is
innovative and not canned!
So? Do we can tango or can we do tango?
Aron
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