4430 Corte, what is it? %)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:00:16 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-L@mit.edu>
Speaking about experts..
I am lost. I have found so many definitions and looks of Corte, that I am
totally lost. I do dance something which I call Corte for myself, but met
the need to be more competent.
I have to find some credible ( I mean "most credible" ) resources which
state what it is.
It would be nice to find 3: What is considered Corte ( it does not seem to
me like a gaucho word) in classical ballet, in ballroom, and in Argentine
Tango resources.
I very appreciate help.
Igor Polk
PS. I never encountered "Corte" word in Tango Nuevo. Can somebody illuminate
if it is used out there?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 03:00:57 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, <tango-L@mit.edu>
"Corte" means "Cut" in Spanish. It signifies that you "cut" the movement. I
am still not quite clear about it is exactly either, but in Argentine tango
history, there was a phase when they had a style called "tango de hermanas"
(tango for the sisters... of the milongueros, that is) "sin cortes y
quebradas" (without cortes and quebradas) which means, a simple, toned down
version of tango, which is morally acceptable enough for a macho to allow
his sisters to dance it.
>From I have understood so far, I imagine that cortes are the ways the man
stops the woman in her movement, quebrada apparently means, he then bends
over her or tilts her into his arms and rocks her a little.
Remember that in those days, the tango was the only way a man could play a
little with a woman's body without having to marry her. Unless she was a
prostitute. Or so the legend goes.
Astrid
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:40:25 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-L@mit.edu>
Thanks for all your answers!
Especially I loved Mel's. Very useful indeed !
I was talking about this:
> I am simply making steps forward. Then, on one step,
> after the leg is extended instead of transferring weight to it, I push off
> the floor and return the foot back. It can be done to the side, or
> other directions.
It can be called "Rock step", but I see a subtle difference in technique.
Besides, that does not sound like Tango.
I propose to call it "Paso Cortado" in analogy with "Ocho Cortado".
Objections?
Igor
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 03:34:44 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, <tango-L@mit.edu>
> > I am simply making steps forward. Then, on one step,
> > after the leg is extended instead of transferring weight to it, I push
off
> > the floor and return the foot back. It can be done to the side, or
> > other directions.
>
> It can be called "Rock step", but I see a subtle difference in technique.
> Besides, that does not sound like Tango.
>
> I propose to call it "Paso Cortado" in analogy with "Ocho Cortado".
>
> Objections?
Yes. Isn't that a "traspie"? Or one of those "mentidas" (lies)?
Astrid
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:24:45 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: "steve pastor" <tang0man2005@yahoo.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Thank you, Steve!
I would say that Cunita is a set of those "paso cortado" done in normal time
with complete wait transform. It is a figure, not a step. ( I mean "step"
not in a sense of "figure", just a form of a step, when a person make just
one step).
And yes, Cunita was sometimes called Corte in very old ( 1914 ) books.
A thing which I call "paso cortado" and I am looking a popular name for is
mostly done in double time, it is only one forth-back, and it is done
without weight transform. It is not a figure by itself, but a part of many
figures mostly in close, but also in open embrace.
"Rock step" is similar, but I still see the major differences and besides
this term does not sould like tango.
Igor.
-----Original Message-----
From: steve pastor [mailto:tang0man2005@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:07 AM
To: Igor Polk; tango-L@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
You may call something anthing you wish. However, upon reading your post
the following came to mind -
"Cunita ? Cradle: A forward and backward rocking step done in time with
the music
and with or without chiches, which is useful for marking time or changing
direction in a
small space. This movement may be turned to the left or right, danced
with either the
left or right leg forward, and repeated as desired."
You should be able to find this definition at several to many tango sites.
If you've done this when dancing apilado, and at an appropriate time in
the music,
you will definately appreciate the name.
Steve
Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
Thanks for all your answers!
Especially I loved Mel's. Very useful indeed !
I was talking about this:
> I am simply making steps forward. Then, on one step,
> after the leg is extended instead of transferring weight to it, I push
off
> the floor and return the foot back. It can be done to the side, or
> other directions.
It can be called "Rock step", but I see a subtle difference in
technique.
Besides, that does not sound like Tango.
I propose to call it "Paso Cortado" in analogy with "Ocho Cortado".
Objections?
Igor
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:44:01 -0600
From: "Bruno Romero" <romerob@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Igor Polk wrote:
>A thing which I call "paso cortado" and I am looking a popular name for is
mostly done in double time, it is only one forth-back, and it is done
without weight transform. It is not a figure by itself, but a part of many
figures mostly in close, but also in open embrace.<
May be of interest:
A somewhat similar figure described by Nicanor Lima is called Paso "Pique
Acompasado". This consists of 4 alternated movements performed in duration
of a musical measure.
To the left and forward:
1. Left foot forward, rest the body on the front / tip of the foot
3. Lift the back (right foot) slightly, and let it drop in the same place
4. Perform this 2 movements simultaneously in one 1/2 half of a musical
measure
5. Do the opposite to the right and forward, and you have complete the 4
alternated movements in one musical measure.
These movements can be done walking laterally (corrida(s)) as shown in
Nicanor's manual of tango.
https://www.milonga.org/PasoPiqueAcompasado.html
Cheers,
Bruno
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:48:38 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Today I have received Clay Nelson's invitation to Ashland Tango Weekend with
Silvina.
One of the lessons is named: "Sequences with rebotes and changes of
direction."
Rebote means rebound ( As Tom said ).
I think these are Cortes I was talking about:
>A thing which I call "paso cortado" and I am looking a popular name for is
mostly done in double time, it is only one forth-back, and it is done
without weight transform. It is not a figure by itself, but a part of many
figures mostly in close, but also in open embrace.<
The same thing might be called "Picque", "Rock step", "Checked step"
I personally dislike the word Rebote, even thought it describes the thing
pretty well.
It sounds like a Robot to me ( My university diploma is about Robots :). I
am an "automatic control systems" engineer. Someone may know what it means:
systems, signals, feedbacks, leading and following in engineering and in the
world around us. )
Igor.
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:54:05 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Oh, I forgot. Why I dislike "Rebote".
Because there is "Corte and Quebrada" - a symbol of Argentine Tango ( as
Jake pointed out )
But there is no "Rebote and Quebrada".
Igor.
Today I have received Clay Nelson's invitation to Ashland Tango Weekend with
Silvina.
One of the lessons is named: "Sequences with rebotes and changes of
direction."
Rebote means rebound ( As Tom said ).
I think these are Cortes I was talking about:
>A thing which I call "paso cortado" and I am looking a popular name for is
mostly done in double time, it is only one forth-back, and it is done
without weight transform. It is not a figure by itself, but a part of many
figures mostly in close, but also in open embrace.<
The same thing might be called "Picque", "Rock step", "Checked step"
I personally dislike the word Rebote, even thought it describes the thing
pretty well.
It sounds like a Robot to me ( My university diploma is about Robots :). I
am an "automatic control systems" engineer. Someone may know what it means:
systems, signals, feedbacks, leading and following in engineering and in the
world around us. )
Igor.
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:04:38 -0600
From: "Bruno Romero" <romerob@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Igor Polk wrote:
I think these are Cortes I was talking about:
>A thing which I call "paso cortado" and I am looking a popular name for is
mostly done in double time, it is only one forth-back, and it is done
without weight transform. It is not a figure by itself, but a part of many
figures mostly in close, but also in open embrace.<
The same thing might be called "Picque", "Rock step", "Checked step"
One meaning for Pique:
Paso Pique (Pique Step)
Pique: to sink in (as sink in with your body)
Bruno
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 02:03:05 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
there once was a statistic that said, that a lot of tango dancers in Germany
are system engineers. Anyway, people who spend most of their time in front
of a screen and are starving for a hug at the end of the day...
What does it matter how one comes by the truth
so long as one pounces upon it and lives by it?
Henry Miller
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:21:46 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Bruno,
"One meaning for Pique:
Paso Pique (Pique Step)
Pique: to sink in (as sink in with your body)
"
I guess during this "sink" a man's leg is stretched and directed forward
like a "Pique"?
Does it mean that Pique can be done without rebound? Just moving forward?
Igor.
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:24:14 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
And they are also attracted by the "lead and follow" words and actual
phenomena, because it has a perfect correspondence with their vision of the
world.
A scientific vision.
Igor.
-----Original Message-----
From: astrid [mailto:astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:03 AM
To: Igor Polk; tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
there once was a statistic that said, that a lot of tango dancers in Germany
are system engineers. Anyway, people who spend most of their time in front
of a screen and are starving for a hug at the end of the day...
What does it matter how one comes by the truth
so long as one pounces upon it and lives by it?
Henry Miller
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:14:54 -0600
From: "Bruno Romero" <romerob@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Corte, what is it? %)
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Bruno wrote:
"One meaning for Pique:
Paso Pique (Pique Step)
Pique: to sink in (as sink in with your body)"
Igor Polk wrote:
I guess during this "sink" a man's leg is stretched and directed forward
like a "Pique"?
Does it mean that Pique can be done without rebound? Just moving forward?
Answer:
There is no rebound per say imagine a person walking with a slight limp.
Nicanor shows that if you want move forward:
Three steps are involved.
1. The Paso Pique Acompasado (acompasado means with cadence) with one step
forward.
2. Step number 1 above is followed by two natural walking steps.
3. Step back without adornment with the foot that stepped with the Paso
Pique Acompasado, and
4. One step forward without adornment of the opposite foot.
The overall result will be a man walking with slight gait.
Paso Pique Acompasado: sinking in with the front of the foot first followed
simultaneously by raising the heel slightly off the floor with the opposite
foot. Once the foot is moved forward the sinking in with let's say the left
foot and the raising of the heel of the right foot is done in place. The
timing of the step Pique Acompasado for each left and right foot it is one
musical measure.
The cadence or compass is in the sinking in with the front part of the shoe
followed simultaneously with the rising of the heel of the opposite foot.
Cheers,
Bruno
