4536  Dancer profile in Buenos Aires

Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:16:18 -0400
From: "jeff byrnes" <jefffbyrnes@gmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Dancer profile in Buenos Aires
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<8a86affd0607311016m4c6fb582rda47118f92d4a0c9@mail.gmail.com>

I would appreciate a clarification about the Tango dancers' profile in
Buenos Aires.

If we disregard the foreigners and those who cater to them, like the
teachers , Taxi dancers and the women chasers, what is the social profile of
the rest?

Thanks,

Jeff

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:20:40 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Dancer profile in Buenos Aires
To: "jeff byrnes" <jefffbyrnes@gmail.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>

You may be disappointed, Jeff, but for all I know, basically, no self
respecting upper middle class Argentine in BsAs admits to being a tango
dancer. Even if the Argentine embassies in other countries support tango
events as part of their culture. If they attend the event, to hold a speech
in the name of the embassy for exemple, they will make a point of telling
the other guests that they themselves are very poor at dancing tango.

Astrid, Tokyo

Freedom is what you do with what has been done to you.
Sartre

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:16 AM
Subject: [Tango-L] Dancer profile in Buenos Aires

> I would appreciate a clarification about the Tango dancers' profile in
> Buenos Aires.
>
> If we disregard the foreigners and those who cater to them, like the
> teachers , Taxi dancers and the women chasers, what is the social profile

of

> the rest?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff

Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:02:35 -0400
From: "Nitin Kibe" <nitinkibe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Dancer profile in Buenos Aires
To: astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp, jefffbyrnes@gmail.com, tango-l@mit.edu


Quite right: the exception proving the rule was probably the previous Duarte
regime's ambassador to the US who held a farewell milonga at the embassy on
his last night in Washington, wore a Gardel style hat, danced reasonably
well, and belted out "Adios Muchachos" with gusto to our delight.

Another exception was one, but only the one, officer on the Argentine Navy
sail training ship Libertad who danced well at the on board milonga when the
ship came to Baltimore.

Would that argentines appreciated their own gift to the world!

NK
Wash DC

>You may be disappointed, Jeff, but for all I know, basically, no self
>respecting upper middle class Argentine in BsAs admits to being a tango
>dancer. Even if the Argentine embassies in other countries support tango
>events as part of their culture. If they attend the event, to hold a speech
>in the name of the embassy for exemple, they will make a point of telling
>the other guests that they themselves are very poor at dancing tango.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jeff byrnes" <jefffbyrnes@gmail.com>
>To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:16 AM
>Subject: [Tango-L] Dancer profile in Buenos Aires
>
>
> > I would appreciate a clarification about the Tango dancers' profile in
> > Buenos Aires.
> >
> > If we disregard the foreigners and those who cater to them, like the
> > teachers , Taxi dancers and the women chasers, what is the social
>profile
>of
> > the rest?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jeff
>
>

Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:40:33 -0300
From: Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Dancer Profile in Buenos Aires
To: tango-l@mit.edu

And now from someone who lives here, dances with a professional dancer,
sits and listens to the discussions of many professional dancers, here
is my 2 centavos.

I am offended by people who think that tango in Buenos Aires is all
about old uneducated men who learned to dance from their fathers,
womanizers who lust after the money and bodies of foreign women, and
teachers who throw their business cards at anyone resembling a tourist.
Yes, those people are present at milongas along with the "gatas" (the
woman who lust after the money of the foreign men), drug dealers, and
occasional transvestites. Are they the majority? NO!

Every milonga has its composite. Every milonga is different. You want
to go to a milonga where there are all tourists, the usual suspects with
their hands out, you can find them. There are milongas where I am the
youngest person by 20 years or so. You can find milongas in the barrios
of Avellaneda, Flores, and in Banfield, (home of Osvaldo and Coca)
Quilmes, and Lanus. There are places where the people who live there
get together, rent a social hall and simply dance. Anyone who pays the
2 or 3 pesos can come in. Gricel on Monday and Fridays is loaded with
people who are professionals and not only do they dance, they dance
well. Tango is danced in Rosario, Cordoba, Corrientes, and other
provinces. Not like Buenos Aires, but it is danced.

I have met a very diverse group of people in the milonga. The milongas
reflect the people of Buenos Aires. I know women and men who are
architects, lawyers, and doctors. I know one man who splits his time
between here and Mexico. He has two businesses, one in each country.
One man is a well known Cardiologist. He comes to the afternoon
milongas around 6 or 7 with a group of other doctors. They dance to
unwind from a stressful day. Roberto has a pilot who works for Lufthansa
who is his student, another owns two casinos, another is a plastic
surgeon. Mimi has a student who owns a large software company here in
Buenos Aires. I teach English at two large insurance companies. My
students in both companies introduced me to fellow managers who either
dance tango or are learning. My dentist says I have inspired him enough
to maybe try to learn. There are people who come from more humble
backgrounds, people with little or no education. All of us dance
together. Tango is no longer the dance of the lower class, uneducated
person. Today tango is danced by people of all backgrounds.

When I meet people who live here, Argentines, they are charmed that an
American dances tango. Many ask me about classes. They tell me how
they watched their grandparents dance and now they want to learn. I
have not met anyone who has denied they dance tango when they actually
do. That is an attitude of the past. I have friends who hate the
music, just as I could not stand Perry Como and Lawrence Welk. It is
not because they think the tango is beneath them in social class.

Again the question; What do you find in the milongas? Last night was
the first night that I was able to dance in the milonga. When Roberto
and I stopped between songs, we were rushed by people on the floor with
tears in their eyes. I was overwhelmed by the emotion. People were
happy to see me dancing again. All night people came to the table to
hug me and tell me they were happy to see me without crutches and a
happy face, not one full of pain. I write this only to tell you about
the warmth and good feelings I have when I go to the milonga. None of
these people are my friends outside of the milonga. I have known some
of them for 5 years or 6 years, some for a lot less. People who care
enough to not only wish you well, but they mean it. You can find
ugliness anywhere. But for me, it is something different. So that is
what I find in the milongas...and found before I came to live here.

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:07:25 -0400
From: "jeff byrnes" <jefffbyrnes@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Dancer Profile in Buenos Aires
To: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
<8a86affd0608011207o3dde8452l403e4b66dfbe452d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Deby,

Would you please mind putting some names on the milongas you mention and
categorize them, by say, age of dancers, style, tourist traps, etc.? I plan
a visit to Buenos Aires and such a list would come-in handy...

Thanks,

Jeff

On 8/1/06, Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> wrote:

>
> And now from someone who lives here, dances with a professional dancer,
> sits and listens to the discussions of many professional dancers, here
> is my 2 centavos.
>
> I am offended by people who think that tango in Buenos Aires is all
> about old uneducated men who learned to dance from their fathers,
> womanizers who lust after the money and bodies of foreign women, and
> teachers who throw their business cards at anyone resembling a tourist.
> Yes, those people are present at milongas along with the "gatas" (the
> woman who lust after the money of the foreign men), drug dealers, and
> occasional transvestites. Are they the majority? NO!
>
> Every milonga has its composite. Every milonga is different. You want
> to go to a milonga where there are all tourists, the usual suspects with
> their hands out, you can find them. There are milongas where I am the
> youngest person by 20 years or so. You can find milongas in the barrios
> of Avellaneda, Flores, and in Banfield, (home of Osvaldo and Coca)
> Quilmes, and Lanus. There are places where the people who live there
> get together, rent a social hall and simply dance. Anyone who pays the
> 2 or 3 pesos can come in. Gricel on Monday and Fridays is loaded with
> people who are professionals and not only do they dance, they dance
> well. Tango is danced in Rosario, Cordoba, Corrientes, and other
> provinces. Not like Buenos Aires, but it is danced.
>
> I have met a very diverse group of people in the milonga. The milongas
> reflect the people of Buenos Aires. I know women and men who are
> architects, lawyers, and doctors. I know one man who splits his time
> between here and Mexico. He has two businesses, one in each country.
> One man is a well known Cardiologist. He comes to the afternoon
> milongas around 6 or 7 with a group of other doctors. They dance to
> unwind from a stressful day. Roberto has a pilot who works for Lufthansa
> who is his student, another owns two casinos, another is a plastic
> surgeon. Mimi has a student who owns a large software company here in
> Buenos Aires. I teach English at two large insurance companies. My
> students in both companies introduced me to fellow managers who either
> dance tango or are learning. My dentist says I have inspired him enough
> to maybe try to learn. There are people who come from more humble
> backgrounds, people with little or no education. All of us dance
> together. Tango is no longer the dance of the lower class, uneducated
> person. Today tango is danced by people of all backgrounds.
>
> When I meet people who live here, Argentines, they are charmed that an
> American dances tango. Many ask me about classes. They tell me how
> they watched their grandparents dance and now they want to learn. I
> have not met anyone who has denied they dance tango when they actually
> do. That is an attitude of the past. I have friends who hate the
> music, just as I could not stand Perry Como and Lawrence Welk. It is
> not because they think the tango is beneath them in social class.
>
> Again the question; What do you find in the milongas? Last night was
> the first night that I was able to dance in the milonga. When Roberto
> and I stopped between songs, we were rushed by people on the floor with
> tears in their eyes. I was overwhelmed by the emotion. People were
> happy to see me dancing again. All night people came to the table to
> hug me and tell me they were happy to see me without crutches and a
> happy face, not one full of pain. I write this only to tell you about
> the warmth and good feelings I have when I go to the milonga. None of
> these people are my friends outside of the milonga. I have known some
> of them for 5 years or 6 years, some for a lot less. People who care
> enough to not only wish you well, but they mean it. You can find
> ugliness anywhere. But for me, it is something different. So that is
> what I find in the milongas...and found before I came to live here.
>

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: burl burl <burlq7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Dancer profile in Buenos Aires
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Hey NK, don't forget our gift to Argentina:

Midwestern retiree Argenophiles limping to their Milongas. And they do us a great service in the USA too; in telling us who's in the know in chat boards, blogs and tango-L. I know for a fact I would be very unsure of my dance if a mexican cardiologist didn't say hello to me when I paid double at the door.

But most of all, it is nice to know that people are the same the world over--weather you dance hip-hop or tango there is always someone who desperately wants to tell you who is in, who is a lout, who is just folks and who inspires their dentist.

yours
Burleigh

Nitin Kibe <nitinkibe@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quite right: the exception proving the rule was probably the previous Duarte
regime's ambassador to the US who held a farewell milonga at the embassy on
his last night in Washington, wore a Gardel style hat, danced reasonably
well, and belted out "Adios Muchachos" with gusto to our delight.

Another exception was one, but only the one, officer on the Argentine Navy
sail training ship Libertad who danced well at the on board milonga when the
ship came to Baltimore.

Would that argentines appreciated their own gift to the world!

NK
Wash DC




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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:12:37 -0400
From: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Dancer profile in Buenos Aires
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: burlq7@yahoo.com

"Hey NK, don't forget our gift to Argentina:

Midwestern retiree Argenophiles limping to their Milongas. And they do us
a
great service in the USA too; in telling us who's in the know in chat
boards,
blogs and tango-L. I know for a fact I would be very unsure of my dance if
a
mexican cardiologist didn't say hello to me when I paid double at the door.

But most of all, it is nice to know that people are the same the world
over--weather you dance hip-hop or tango there is always someone who
desperately
wants to tell you who is in, who is a lout, who is just folks and who
inspires
their dentist.

yours
Burleigh"

Well Burleigh, that's a mature and civillized remark. I'm going to skip over
your posts from now on since you seem to take pleasure in denigrating others
and making snide comments.

Caroline

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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 02:00:59 -0500
From: "Lois Donnay" <donnay@donnay.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Dancer Profile in Buenos Aires
Cc: <tango-l@mit.edu>

Do you have any idea how much work this would be? If you want to get
this kind of personalized service, go to one of the people who help to
escort you around to the milongas as well as the city. This is a must if
you have not been to Buenos Aires several times. (One of those people is
Janis Kenyon.)

It is quite unfair to ask those who have worked and paid for knowledge
to just write this down for your convenience. This kind of experience
doesn't come for free, and it is priceless if you are in Buenos Aires if
you want a decent tango experience. Don't shortchange your time
there-work with someone who can save you time, embarrassment and money.
I have seen more than a few people go all that way and get only a tenth
of the experience they could if they worked with someone knowledgeable
there.

Lois Donnay
Minneapolis, MN


Hi Deby,

Would you please mind putting some names on the milongas you mention and
categorize them, by say, age of dancers, style, tourist traps, etc.? I
plan
a visit to Buenos Aires and such a list would come-in handy...

Thanks,

Jeff

On 8/1/06, Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> wrote:

>
> And now from someone who lives here, dances with a professional

dancer,

> sits and listens to the discussions of many professional dancers, here
> is my 2 centavos.
>
> I am offended by people who think that tango in Buenos Aires is all
> about old uneducated men who learned to dance from their fathers,
> womanizers who lust after the money and bodies of foreign women, and
> teachers who throw their business cards at anyone resembling a

tourist.

> Yes, those people are present at milongas along with the "gatas" (the
> woman who lust after the money of the foreign men), drug dealers, and
> occasional transvestites. Are they the majority? NO!
>
> Every milonga has its composite. Every milonga is different. You

want

> to go to a milonga where there are all tourists, the usual suspects

with

> their hands out, you can find them. There are milongas where I am the
> youngest person by 20 years or so. You can find milongas in the

barrios

> of Avellaneda, Flores, and in Banfield, (home of Osvaldo and Coca)
> Quilmes, and Lanus. There are places where the people who live there
> get together, rent a social hall and simply dance. Anyone who pays

the

> 2 or 3 pesos can come in. Gricel on Monday and Fridays is loaded with
> people who are professionals and not only do they dance, they dance
> well. Tango is danced in Rosario, Cordoba, Corrientes, and other
> provinces. Not like Buenos Aires, but it is danced.
>
> I have met a very diverse group of people in the milonga. The

milongas

> reflect the people of Buenos Aires. I know women and men who are
> architects, lawyers, and doctors. I know one man who splits his time
> between here and Mexico. He has two businesses, one in each country.
> One man is a well known Cardiologist. He comes to the afternoon
> milongas around 6 or 7 with a group of other doctors. They dance to
> unwind from a stressful day. Roberto has a pilot who works for

Lufthansa

> who is his student, another owns two casinos, another is a plastic
> surgeon. Mimi has a student who owns a large software company here in
> Buenos Aires. I teach English at two large insurance companies. My
> students in both companies introduced me to fellow managers who either
> dance tango or are learning. My dentist says I have inspired him

enough

> to maybe try to learn. There are people who come from more humble
> backgrounds, people with little or no education. All of us dance
> together. Tango is no longer the dance of the lower class, uneducated
> person. Today tango is danced by people of all backgrounds.
>
> When I meet people who live here, Argentines, they are charmed that an
> American dances tango. Many ask me about classes. They tell me how
> they watched their grandparents dance and now they want to learn. I
> have not met anyone who has denied they dance tango when they actually
> do. That is an attitude of the past. I have friends who hate the
> music, just as I could not stand Perry Como and Lawrence Welk. It is
> not because they think the tango is beneath them in social class.
>
> Again the question; What do you find in the milongas? Last night was
> the first night that I was able to dance in the milonga. When

Roberto

> and I stopped between songs, we were rushed by people on the floor

with

> tears in their eyes. I was overwhelmed by the emotion. People were
> happy to see me dancing again. All night people came to the table to
> hug me and tell me they were happy to see me without crutches and a
> happy face, not one full of pain. I write this only to tell you about
> the warmth and good feelings I have when I go to the milonga. None of
> these people are my friends outside of the milonga. I have known some
> of them for 5 years or 6 years, some for a lot less. People who care
> enough to not only wish you well, but they mean it. You can find
> ugliness anywhere. But for me, it is something different. So that is
> what I find in the milongas...and found before I came to live here.
>

Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 05:14:21 EDT
From: TimmyTango@aol.com
Subject: [Tango-L] Fwd: Dancer Profile in Buenos Aires

In a message dated 8/3/06 2:02:14 AM Central Daylight Time, donnay@donnay.net
writes:

<< Do you have any idea how much work this would be? If you want to get
this kind of personalized service, go to one of the people who help to
escort you around to the milongas as well as the city. This is a must if
you have not been to Buenos Aires several times. >>

Any one going to Buenos Aires for the first time and if not the second and
third, should hire an escort to get the most out of the short time you will
spend there.

I've used several people and found that Jon and Judy Margolis are by far the
best escorts. There services extend beyond taking you to the best milonga.
They have set up lessons for me with the best instructors, acted as interpreters,
and I've also know the supply taxi dancers for the less experienced. Thanks
to Jon and Judy I've been to many milongas that tourist usually don't get to
see and experience.
For the money you'll spend, Jon and Judy excel over any one else, and I can
say that your vacation in BsAs will be a great one with their help.
Check our their web page at Jon">https://www.tangowithjudy.com/">Jon y
Judy Margolis</A>


A second choice for escorts would be Oscar Casas and Mary Ann Henderson, who
in fact will be in Cleveland teaching tango workshops August 19 & 20
Come to Cleveland for a great experience in tango instruction

Timmy in Cleveland

Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:37:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Dancer Profile in Buenos Aires
To: Lois Donnay <donnay@donnay.net>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu

Ms. Donnay,

As an American, you should be aware that we live in the free world, anyone may ask questions and anyone may dispense advice for free, or for a fee.

It is also a free market, those who make a business of "helping" others expecting payment in return are open to competition. Their decision, their risk.

Lucia

Lois Donnay <donnay@donnay.net> escribi?: Do you have any idea how much work this would be? If you want to get
this kind of personalized service, go to one of the people who help to
escort [snip]

It is quite unfair to ask those who have worked and paid for knowledge
to just write this down for your convenience. This kind of experience
doesn't come for free [snip]





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:48:26 -0700
From: L <casadepractica@pacbell.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] Fwd: Dancer Profile in Buenos Aires

Thought I'd put in my two cents:

As an American who has twice visited Buenos Aires to dance, I
recommend Cherie Magnus, a bilingual American living in BsAs. Along
with her Argentine partner, Ruben Aybar, they teach milonguero-style
tango and give a 2-day orientation and tour of the Buenos Aires tango
scene. (As an aside, they're also finalists in the Campeonato
Metropolitano de Tango to be held mid-August.) Cherie and Ruben are
a lot of fun and a down-to-earth couple, who love showing people
around their town and teaching all the codigos of the milongas.
Another terrific thing about them, they're both non-smokers and, if
you've been to Argentina at all, you know what a plus that is!

You can reach them at BsAsMilonga@aol.com.

Off the subject to El Bandido de Tango, who wrote: "Watch them dance
then dance with them for your own evaluation." It's been my
experience the best dancers are not necessarily the best
instructors. One has to know how to teach and not just how to
demonstrate steps, it's a whole other ballgame from dancing and/or
performing.

L

> In a message dated 8/3/06 2:02:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
> donnay@donnay.net
> writes:
>
> << Do you have any idea how much work this would be? If you want to
> get
> this kind of personalized service, go to one of the people who
> help to
> escort you around to the milongas as well as the city. This is a
> must if
> you have not been to Buenos Aires several times. >>
>
> Any one going to Buenos Aires for the first time and if not the
> second and
> third, should hire an escort to get the most out of the short time
> you will
> spend there.
>
> I've used several people and found that Jon and Judy Margolis are
> by far the
> best escorts. There services extend beyond taking you to the best
> milonga.
> They have set up lessons for me with the best instructors, acted as
> interpreters,
> and I've also know the supply taxi dancers for the less
> experienced. Thanks
> to Jon and Judy I've been to many milongas that tourist usually
> don't get to
> see and experience.
> For the money you'll spend, Jon and Judy excel over any one else,
> and I can
> say that your vacation in BsAs will be a great one with their help.
> Check our their web page at https://
> Jon">www.tangowithjudy.com/">Jon y
> Judy Margolis</A>
>
>
> A second choice for escorts would be Oscar Casas and Mary Ann
> Henderson, who
> in fact will be in Cleveland teaching tango workshops August 19 & 20
> Come to Cleveland for a great experience in tango instruction
>
> Timmy in Cleveland
>

Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:34:53 -0300
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@ceverett.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Fwd: Dancer Profile in Buenos Aires
To: L <casadepractica@pacbell.net>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu

L wrote:

> Thought I'd put in my two cents:
> <snipped>
>

Heck, as long as we're on this topic, allow me to plug Deby Novitz. I'm
wrapping up 8 weeks in BA Thursday, and her help and guidance has been
invaluable.

Through her, I've met not just milongueros, but have been exposed to
a large slice of BA life. I take the bus around town, buy food at the
local
fruiteria and paneteria, knowof several good parillas, and have several
good friends locally. Not to mention the fact that she knows the shopping
here really well.

Firstimers in BA most likely end up wasting 2/3rds of their time without
this sort of help. I'm glad I didn't go haring off taking series of
expensive
group classes from name brand instructors, or run around taking two
classes a day from whoever. Instead, I got about 30 private lessons with
a tippy-top-notch teacher, got my fundamentals more or less in order,
learned a few new things to fill in the holes in my dance, and now I have
something I can be proud of.

> Off the subject to El Bandido de Tango, who wrote: "Watch them dance
> then dance with them for your own evaluation." It's been my
> experience the best dancers are not necessarily the best
> instructors. One has to know how to teach and not just how to
> demonstrate steps, it's a whole other ballgame from dancing and/or
> performing.
>

A good teacher knows their dance, and teaches what they dance. The best
group classes I've ever taken are Mimi Santapa's technique classes in BA,
and she speaks almost no English. But she has a talent for conveying what
she does, and lo and behold, ordinary mortals can actually do as she
teaches,
and when they do, the improvement is palpable.

> L
>
>
>
>> In a message dated 8/3/06 2:02:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
>> donnay@donnay.net
>> writes:
>>
>> << Do you have any idea how much work this would be? If you want to
>> get
>> this kind of personalized service, go to one of the people who
>> help to
>> escort you around to the milongas as well as the city. This is a
>> must if
>> you have not been to Buenos Aires several times. >>
>>
>> Any one going to Buenos Aires for the first time and if not the
>> second and
>> third, should hire an escort to get the most out of the short time
>> you will
>> spend there.
>>
>> I've used several people and found that Jon and Judy Margolis are
>> by far the
>> best escorts. There services extend beyond taking you to the best
>> milonga.
>> They have set up lessons for me with the best instructors, acted as
>> interpreters,
>> and I've also know the supply taxi dancers for the less
>> experienced. Thanks
>> to Jon and Judy I've been to many milongas that tourist usually
>> don't get to
>> see and experience.
>> For the money you'll spend, Jon and Judy excel over any one else,
>> and I can
>> say that your vacation in BsAs will be a great one with their help.
>> Check our their web page at https://
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>> Judy Margolis</A>
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>> A second choice for escorts would be Oscar Casas and Mary Ann
>> Henderson, who
>> in fact will be in Cleveland teaching tango workshops August 19 & 20
>> Come to Cleveland for a great experience in tango instruction
>>
>> Timmy in Cleveland
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