5534 On dancing to non-tango music
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:13:02 -0800
From: Mary Menz <mary.menz@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: tango-L@mit.edu
Dancing milonga to either a one-step or two-step ragtime piece can be
a lot of fun. I have found that an increasing number of tangueros
are showing up at ragtime festivals and using their tango moves to
much of the music.
Mary
Modesto, CA
>I have a student who is a pianist, and his specialty is Ragtime. He has been
>researching the connections between tango and ragtime, and has found a bit
>of La Cumparsita in a Scott Joplin piece. Joplin wrote this piece after he
>took a Florida vacation at the same time as a tango composer was residing
>there, and that's the only clue to the connection. He also has a ragtime
>piece with words that refer to how the tango dancers get even closer when
>Ragtime is played.
>
>He and his partner like dancing Canyengue to ragtime, and he would love to
>have any other justification for dancing tango steps to Ragtime music.
>
>Lois Donnay
>Minneapolis, MN
>
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:59:33 -0500
From: Carol Shepherd <arborlaw@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: Tango List <tango-l@mit.edu>
Interesting.
Here we would normally dance quickstep to ragtime/hot jazz, or partner
charleston, or balboa, or a fast lindy hop. Open embrace tango partner
floorwork integrates well with lindy hop. Balboa has exactly the same
embrace as close embrace tango, would be interesting to integrate some
tango step (perhaps back ochos) into balboa, but the footwork is VERY fast.
Mary Menz wrote:
> Dancing milonga to either a one-step or two-step ragtime piece can be
> a lot of fun. I have found that an increasing number of tangueros
> are showing up at ragtime festivals and using their tango moves to
> much of the music.
> Mary
> Modesto, CA
>
>
>
>> I have a student who is a pianist, and his specialty is Ragtime. He has been
>> researching the connections between tango and ragtime, and has found a bit
>> of La Cumparsita in a Scott Joplin piece. Joplin wrote this piece after he
>> took a Florida vacation at the same time as a tango composer was residing
>> there, and that's the only clue to the connection. He also has a ragtime
>> piece with words that refer to how the tango dancers get even closer when
>> Ragtime is played.
>>
>> He and his partner like dancing Canyengue to ragtime, and he would love to
>> have any other justification for dancing tango steps to Ragtime music.
>>
>> Lois Donnay
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:55:18 -0600
From: "Lois Donnay" <donnay@donnay.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: "Tango List" <tango-l@mit.edu>
I want to pass along something else my Ragtime-obsessed student has shared
with me - ragtime is now typically played much faster than it was intended.
Scott Joplin repeatedly reminded the orchestras "Not too fast". On his sheet
music he would write: "Ragtime should never be played too fast". When played
at the proper tempo, Canyengue or tango would be the appropriate dance, not
milonga.
Lois
> Interesting.
>
> Here we would normally dance quickstep to ragtime/hot jazz, or partner
> charleston, or balboa, or a fast lindy hop. Open embrace tango partner
> floorwork integrates well with lindy hop. Balboa has exactly the same
> embrace as close embrace tango, would be interesting to integrate some
> tango step (perhaps back ochos) into balboa, but the footwork is VERY
> fast.
>
> Mary Menz wrote:
>> Dancing milonga to either a one-step or two-step ragtime piece can be
>> a lot of fun. I have found that an increasing number of tangueros
>> are showing up at ragtime festivals and using their tango moves to
>> much of the music.
>> Mary
>> Modesto, CA
>>
>> >>> I have a student who is a pianist, and his specialty is Ragtime. He
>> >>> has been
>>> researching the connections between tango and ragtime, and has found a
>>> bit
>>> of La Cumparsita in a Scott Joplin piece. Joplin wrote this piece after
>>> he
>>> took a Florida vacation at the same time as a tango composer was
>>> residing
>>> there, and that's the only clue to the connection. He also has a
>>> ragtime
>>> piece with words that refer to how the tango dancers get even closer
>>> when
>>> Ragtime is played.
>>>
>>> He and his partner like dancing Canyengue to ragtime, and he would love
>>> to
>>> have any other justification for dancing tango steps to Ragtime music.
>>>
>>> Lois Donnay
>>> Minneapolis, MN
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 00:15:24 -0800
From: Norman Tiber <natiber@charter.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: tango-l@mit.edu
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Selling sheet music was big business during the Ragtime Era and it
was not uncommon for pieces of music to be listed as being
appropriate for a variety of dances. For example, Vernon and Irene
Castle danced their famous ?Castle walk? to ?Tres Moutarde (Too Much
Mustard).? The original sheet music cover lists this as a ?One or Two-
step or Tango.
Here is Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers dancing the ?Castle Walk? (One
Step) to ?Too Much Mustard? in the movie ?The Story of Vernon and
Irene Castle.? From all I have read, Irene Castle was on the set and
pressed the director not to take too many liberties with the costumes
or the period dance steps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuIHfs0S1Kc&feature=related
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:45:25 EST
From: MACFroggy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I think the "confusion" in the old days is from using "tango" as a blanket
term for all
dance music in 2/4 rhythm.
Cherie
https://tangocherie.blogspot.com/
In a message dated 2/3/08 5:19:12 AM, natiber@charter.net writes:
> Selling sheet music was big business during the Ragtime Era and it?
> was not uncommon for pieces of music to be listed as being?
> appropriate for a variety of dances.? For example, Vernon and Irene?
> Castle danced their famous ?Castle walk? to ?Tres Moutarde (Too Much?
> Mustard).? The original sheet music cover lists this as a ?One or Two-
> step or Tango.
>
> Here is Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers dancing the ?Castle Walk? (One?
> Step) to ?Too Much Mustard? in the movie ?The Story of Vernon and?
> Irene Castle.? From all I have read, Irene Castle was on the set and?
> pressed the director not to take too many liberties with the costumes?
> or the period dance steps.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuIHfs0S1Kc&feature=related
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:13:43 -0800 (PST)
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: MACFroggy@aol.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
--- MACFroggy@aol.com wrote:
> I think the "confusion" in the old days is from
> using "tango" as a blanket
> term for all
> dance music in 2/4 rhythm.
More confusion exists because folks think certain
steps are unique to tango. There is not a step or a
movment in tango that is not used in some other dance
somewhere in the world. After all.....we all have the
same tools for dance: the same torso, legs, arms, etc.
There are only so many movements the human body can
make without damage. It is the way we use those parts
and the movements we make TO THE MUSIC that makes it
tango or Viennese Waltz ( the cross) or swing ( rock
step) or mambo ( pivots).
Now.....what elements are required for the appellation
of 'tango'? Is it the bandoneon? Is it solely Rio
Platense? What about Tango Vals? Is it truly
'tango'?
Just wondering...
Nancy
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y el tango que tu amas
te quema en su llama>>
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:26:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Good question, I've been wondering about this too...
I think that the music that most of us love is Argentine
and more specific Portenio.
There are Tangos, Waltzes and Milongas from all
over but only the ones from BsAs has made our blood steam.
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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:57:35 -0500
From: simon3940@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: tango-l@mit.edu
So - I've always wondered - if its not unique to tango - what are the other dances done in close embrace that are danced in crossed feet position.? I am only familiar with 5 or 6 social dances and its in none of those - not even in Cuban son, which IMO is the dance (of those I know) that's closest to AT.
Simon
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:01:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I guess one could call this Russian Tango.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sadXH4Wd7Q0
Tango popularity is not slowing down, yet. The numbers of Tango festivals
in the world, exploded in the year 2003 and is still increasing exponentially.
No one knows what new forms of Tango will evolve from all this over the coming years.
We may just have to distinguish between each kind until the few that become
the most danced too, shape the future of the dance.
As for now, I am quite happy with the Tango of the past from BsAs.
And if new live tango music can capture some of the bite of that music
then, so be it.. if not...too bad. My guess is that it will take 10 years more
and a still exploding Tango culture, to produce the new music..my guess.
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:40:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Here are two Russian women in Russia dancing Argentine Tango (Milonga)
and so it is THE MUSIC that counts..in my book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhknYQ41j9Y
Forgive me if I over exaggerated the international Tango festivals...as growing >exponentially.(.they may well do that though..)
>2002 there were 30 and in 2003 the number I saw was 113 but I'm being told that
> it was only 75.
...ok, no more posts, today.
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:58:42 -0500
From: Ilene Marder <imhmedia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] On dancing to non-tango music
To: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
The leader is Silvina Vals..one of the best milonga dancers on the planet!
I.
Mario wrote:
>Here are two Russian women in Russia dancing Argentine Tango (Milonga)
> and so it is THE MUSIC that counts..in my book.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhknYQ41j9Y
>
> Forgive me if I over exaggerated the international Tango festivals...as growing >exponentially.(.they may well do that though..)
> >2002 there were 30 and in 2003 the number I saw was 113 but I'm being told that
> > it was only 75.
>
> ...ok, no more posts, today.
>
>
>
>
>
