1022 Boleos...
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:52:59 -0700
From: Pablo Tapia <pablo.tapia@ASU.EDU>
Subject: Boleos...
Why fall in the box minded definition that a boleo only comes after an ocho?
It is true that a boleo is frequently taught as an interruption of an ocho.
But using the context of the ocho as an illustration where a boleo may be
used should not limit the application of the boleo. As I posed it to
another member of this list, consider this example:
I lead the follower to take a side step and immediately after that I rotate
her to the left by going around her axis as she is rotating on one foot,
then I change the direction of her rotation. Does that produce an boleo? I
say yes. But that was not an ocho, or was it?
Pablo
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:22:35 -0800
From: Rick FromPdx <bugsbunny1959@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Boleos...
It seems more natural & easier for followers to do boleos with their left
leg, anyone else experience this? The right leg gets interesting results.
I'm wondering if its the follower's perogative whether or not to do one in
the first place. Is their such a thing as a front boleo? I've had followers
do something like that in lieu of a gancho & its quite beautiful. A really
elegant line. Or perhaps do one after the other. I figure she & I are having
a conversation, she can talk & I'll listen, & v/v, through our dancing.
Anything a follower can bring to a dance is most welcome to me, I see my
moves all the time...
Rick
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:59:06 -0500
From: "Sa, Na-W, Na-C, Na-E, Misc" <tangomaniac@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Boleos...
Rick:
The reason it's easier for women to do boleos with the left leg is that
is the "open side" of the couple.
The other side is the "closed" side, closed being where the man's left
hand and woman's
right hand are together. Just about everything is easier on the "open
side."
A boleo is a change in direction while the woman is doing an ocho.
However,
the change in direction has to occur BEFORE the woman commits her weight
to the foot
she is going to step for the next ocho. Generally speaking, if the woman
is doing back ochos,
the change in direction would happen before she is more than halfway to
taking the next step.
A front boleo is when the woman steps forward for the front ocho and the
man reverses
her direction before she steps with the forward foot. The woman has to do
the boleo
because the man has reversed her direction. The definition I've been
given for boleo is
a change of direction. However, the woman has complete control over the
height of the boleo.
Michael Ditkoff
Washington, DC
Leaving tomorrow for New York
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:22:35 -0800 Rick FromPdx
<bugsbunny1959@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> It seems more natural & easier for followers to do boleos with their
left leg, anyone
else experience this? The right leg gets interesting > results.> I'm
wondering if its
the follower's perogative whether or not to do > one in > the first
place. Is their such a thing
as a front boleo?
>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:56:13 -0500
From: Varvara Kountouzi <varvarak@POBOX.UPENN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Boleos...
on the other hand, I think the reason is as simple as the fact that usually
the right leg is stronger and thus can support the left leg's boleo better.
Personally I find it the same on either side. - Barbara
At 05:22 PM 2/12/2003 -0800, Rick FromPdx wrote:
>It seems more natural & easier for followers to do boleos with their left
>leg, anyone else experience this? The right leg gets interesting results.
>I'm wondering if its the follower's perogative whether or not to do one in
>the first place. Is their such a thing as a front boleo? I've had followers
>do something like that in lieu of a gancho & its quite beautiful. A really
>elegant line. Or perhaps do one after the other. I figure she & I are having
>a conversation, she can talk & I'll listen, & v/v, through our dancing.
>Anything a follower can bring to a dance is most welcome to me, I see my
>moves all the time...
>Rick
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:51:54 -0600
From: "Frank G. Williams" <frankw@MAIL.AHC.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Boleos...
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Barbara Kountouzi writes:
>> on the other hand, I think the reason is as simple as the fact that
usually the right leg is stronger and thus can support the left leg's boleo
better. Personally I find it the same on either side. <<
I agree that follower's right legs tend to be 'tighter'. It may be that
leaders simply have better technique (timing, etc.) approaching the open
side, do them more often, and followers are more accustomed to swinging the
left leg. A supple relaxation combined with soft support is all that's
needed to make nice boleos work. I really dislike the 'knee jerk' boleos
that I sometimes get - ones that have no relationship to the energy of the
lead. I like the height to be a consequence of the amount of physical
energy that is stopped plus a little discretion for interpreting the energy
of the music. Also, boleos should simply end at the floor. When followers
automatically bounce back boleos through to the front they're dancing by
themselves ...and there's only about a 5% chance that it will fit the music.
But I quite agree with Riccardo de PDX that a nice front boleo well followed
is VERY 'fetching'! ;-)
Wondering if this will make it out to the list,
Frank - Mpls.
At 05:22 PM 2/12/2003 -0800, Rick FromPdx wrote:
>It seems more natural & easier for followers to do boleos with their left
>leg, anyone else experience this? The right leg gets interesting results.
>I'm wondering if its the follower's perogative whether or not to do one in
>the first place. Is their such a thing as a front boleo? I've had followers
>do something like that in lieu of a gancho & its quite beautiful. A really
>elegant line. Or perhaps do one after the other. I figure she & I are
having
>a conversation, she can talk & I'll listen, & v/v, through our dancing.
>Anything a follower can bring to a dance is most welcome to me, I see my
>moves all the time...
>Rick
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:01:46 -0500
From: Varvara Kountouzi <varvarak@POBOX.UPENN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Boleos...
something else that I just remembered:
A leader once told me how much he enjoyed seeing the woman's foot over her
right shoulder, while leading a (successfully lead as well as followed)
back boleo. This might also be reason while leaders prefer the left side
for boleos.
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:24:26 -0800
From: Rick FromPdx <bugsbunny1959@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Boleos...
>A leader once told me how much he enjoyed seeing the woman's foot over her
>right shoulder
If I lose track of whether my partner's feet are crossed or not in
close-embrace, I often peek over her shoulder, down to her feet (I'm not
doing this to check out her rear! ;^)]. This often sends both of us into
gales of laughter & fun! good lord... Oh well, I'm not the too_serious,
snooty type of guy :-) What fun... I'm trying to avoid that
major_lean/raise_the_Iwojimi_flag thing.
Rick
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:18:23 -0700
From: Huck Kennedy <huck@ENSMTP1.EAS.ASU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Boleos...
Varvara Kountouzi writes:
> A leader once told me how much he enjoyed seeing the woman's
> foot over her right shoulder, while leading a (successfully
> lead as well as followed) back boleo.
I enjoy seeing that as well, but I can't imagine
successfully leading it right out on the dance floor.
Pretty slick -- must have been Fabian, no?
Huck
