1924 Patron ( not tango related)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:40:48 -0500
From: Sergio <cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Patron ( not tango related)
The "patron" of this factory is Mr. Smith vs. Mr. Smith is a patron of the
arts.
Patron the same as Apology (apologia) may have different meaning in the USA
from the one generally used in Castilian or French.
One that supports, protects, or champions someone or something, such as an
institution, event, or cause; a sponsor or benefactor: a patron of the arts.
*A customer, especially a regular customer.
*The owner or manager of an establishment, especially a restaurant or an
inn of France or Spain.
A noble or wealthy person in ancient Rome who granted favor and protection
to someone in exchange for certain services.
A slave owner in ancient Rome who freed a slave without relinquishing all
legal claim to him.
One who possesses the right to grant an ecclesiastical benefice to a member
of the clergy.
A patron saint.
In Argentina, Spain, France (Patron) (Accent in the o) the word mostly
refers to the owner of a place, a restaurant, a hotel, a house, a factory, a
business.
In the USA the word is used mostly in reference to a customer or to somebody
that supports, or gives donations to a cause or an institution.
Ex. With a hundred patrons at 5 dollars each this milonga can break even.
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:32:33 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Patron ( not tango related)
Sergio objects the use of the word patron to apply to the organizer of a milonga . His explanation is amusing indeed.
I used the english word "patron" to describe a person that runs a dancing place related to tango music , mainly for a commitment with local tango community, to socialize and have a gathering place where to dance tango.
I dont know how is the situation in other countries, in Buenos Aires, to keep a place to dance tango open , is always difficult, considering the entrance fee, and the expenses related to the running of the place.
In this sense, "patron" means what the Merriam Webster dictionary defines as patron , i.e. :
1 a : a person chosen, named, or honored as a special guardian, protector, or supporter b : a wealthy or influential supporter of an artist or writer c : a social or financial sponsor of a social function (as a ball or concert)
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
buenos aires
Sergio <cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET> wrote:
The "patron" of this factory is Mr. Smith vs. Mr. Smith is a patron of the arts. Patron the same as Apology (apologia) may have different meaning in the USA from the one generally used in Castilian or French. One that supports, protects, or champions someone or something, such as an institution, event, or cause; a sponsor or benefactor: a patron of the arts.
*A customer, especially a regular customer.
*The owner or manager of an establishment, especially a restaurant or an
inn of France or Spain.
A noble or wealthy person in ancient Rome who granted favor and protection
to someone in exchange for certain services.
A slave owner in ancient Rome who freed a slave without relinquishing all
legal claim to him.
One who possesses the right to grant an ecclesiastical benefice to a member
of the clergy.
A patron saint.
In Argentina, Spain, France (Patron) (Accent in the o) the word mostly refers to the owner of a place, a restaurant, a hotel, a house, a factory, a business.
In the USA the word is used mostly in reference to a customer or to somebody that supports, or gives donations to a cause or an institution.
Ex. With a hundred patrons at 5 dollars each this milonga can break even.
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:26:31 -0500
From: Dirk J Bakker <dbakker@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Patron ( not tango related)
I agree. In this day and age where access to information is but a click
away, I fail to understand why supposedly well informed, and well
intended, individuals don't consult those resources first, before
committing to writing what essentially is but a statement of their
limited view. As a matter of fact in Spanish, aside from the generic
meaning of 'patron' as 'the owner of the place', which makes your usage
perfectly appropriate in context, I also learned to use it to mean a
pattern such as are used in sewing or machinery, among many others.
Of the available dictionary sites the one I find the most useful for
English is OneLook:
https://www.onelook.com/ as it searches many sites in 'one look' and
for Spanish, I recommend the one at the University of Oviedo:
https://tradu.scig.uniovi.es/busca.html
though there are many others to supplement it as Spanish also an
incredibly rich and varied language. So others such as
DICCIONARIO LUNFARDO at https://digilander.libero.it/xkl/dicc/ are
necessary, for example.
Aside from a sensible interpretation in the context of the
communication, I believe words in speech or writing should be
inclusive. Between a usage of language as communication or as
'password', I choose communication. In case of ambiguity, I would just
ask for a clarification.
HTH,
Dirk
Alberto Gesualdi wrote:
>Sergio objects the use of the word patron to apply to the organizer of a milonga . His explanation is amusing indeed.
>
>I used the english word "patron" to describe a person that runs a dancing place related to tango music , mainly for a commitment with local tango community, to socialize and have a gathering place where to dance tango.
>
>I dont know how is the situation in other countries, in Buenos Aires, to keep a place to dance tango open , is always difficult, considering the entrance fee, and the expenses related to the running of the place.
>
>In this sense, "patron" means what the Merriam Webster dictionary defines as patron , i.e. :
>
>1 a : a person chosen, named, or honored as a special guardian, protector, or supporter b : a wealthy or influential supporter of an artist or writer c : a social or financial sponsor of a social function (as a ball or concert)
>
>warm regards
>alberto gesualdi
>buenos aires
>
>
