1865 Rhumba / Milonga
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:52:48 -0400
From: Keith Elshaw <keith@TOTANGO.NET>
Subject: Rhumba / Milonga
Question for dj's and dancers;
Has anyone used the odd choice rhumba by say, Jose Garcia or Fransisco
Lomuto in milonga tandas for a special moment?
It's not too far a trip from funky Donato milongas to there. Just wondering
if anyone else's brain and body are as twisted as mine ...
This would go into the category of late-night creativity and dancing tango
to other music.
But I'm also having an interesting experience now dj-ing a Tango Brunch in a
tango dance hall/cafe on Sunday afternoons.
Before I started, I wasn't much up for the idea. You know, if you dance all
Saturday night and want to go out Sunday night, why would you go somewhere
Sunday afternoon?
But - surprise, surprise - I find the mood quite intoxicating in a
different way than night-time.
You can go different places with the music. A whole new area of
appropriateness in choice reveals itself in a mellow Sunday afternoon.
I might also say that the music I play cleaned from lp that sounds so rich
and mellow (Troilo, Dag/Var, Biagi, Di Sarli, D'Arienzo, Canaro) really
sounds delicious in daytime, too.
Anyhow, Rhumba Argentino. Anyone using it occasionally?
DJ Keith
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:05:45 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
Sounds wonderful. I'm all for ditching Salsa breaks altogether. I don't think all that many people know how to do the dance, it leaves lots of folks sitting out & its too fast to Tango too. Rhumba is the similar tempo to Night Club 2 Step, which means even if you don't know either of those dances, you can still dance Tango. No sitting out watching. Helps to open people's minds too...
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:30:44 -0700
From: Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
Well, I guess the idea of a salsa "break" is to
give you a _break_ from the intensity of the tango.
But if your tango isn't intense, you don't need
a break, and you can dance tango during the "break"
too.
By the way - no offense, but I've never understood
the people who dance all the time instead of sometimes
sitting out watching, socializing, etc. And dancing
with one partner and then with another one on the
very next dance seems a bit like getting out of
bed with one person and hopping into bed with another
while you're still wet. (Just a bit.)
"Ricardo"
--- Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Sounds wonderful. I'm all for ditching Salsa breaks
> altogether. I don't think all that many people know
> how to do the dance, it leaves lots of folks sitting
> out & its too fast to Tango too. Rhumba is the
> similar tempo to Night Club 2 Step, which means even
> if you don't know either of those dances, you can
> still dance Tango. No sitting out watching. Helps to
> open people's minds too...
>
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:35:15 -0400
From: Alan McPherron <mcph+@PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
Any suggestions on CDs with Rhumba Argentina?
-- Alan McPherron, Tangueros Unidos de Pittsburgh
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:54:15 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
A better choice of words would be a Rhumba Tanda, a NightClub2 Tanda,
a Viennese Waltz Tanda. I've got WaltzOfTheFlowers on in the background right now,
Tchaikovsky from the Nutcracker, beautiful, surreal & works as a Tango too...
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:13:51 EDT
From: Mallpasso@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
How about Mozart's minuet from Don Giovanni? I think it would make a good
cortina if edited to about one minute.
El Bandito de Tango
In a message dated 10/4/03 9:55:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM writes:
> A better choice of words would be a Rhumba Tanda, a NightClub2 Tanda,
> a Viennese Waltz Tanda. I've got WaltzOfTheFlowers on in the background
> right now,
> Tchaikovsky from the Nutcracker, beautiful, surreal &works as a Tango too...
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:53:39 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
Or right from the source, Strauss (or other composers) waltzes from Vienna. Seems like I remember one in Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:56:35 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: ?!?!?!? was: [TANGO-L] Rhumba / Milonga
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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:06:05 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
Hi Manuel,
Sounds like you've got some energy around this topic. As I recall, didn't you call the alternative Tango music you heard in Europe as crap?
https://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2001/msg02758.html
If you're ever in Portland, stop by our Wed night dance & we can visit, I'll buy you a beer...
Take care...
Rick
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:18:04 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:35:53 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
Manuel,
No worries, I look forward to meeting you in person. I'm buying...
We both seem to share the love of dancing, from different angles, perhaps.
Take care...
Rick
.
PS: Wild Asparagus drops by here every year, I'll let them know about you ;o)
oh, & the men in skirts here want to meet you too!
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:01:04 -0700
From: Bruno <romerob@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
Rumbas:
Carlos Gardel (Amor Tropical a.k.a. Sol Tropical)
James Last or Buena Vista Social Club (Siboney)
Buena Vista Social Club (Para Vigo me voy)
Buena Vista Social Club (Dos Gardenias)
Regards,
Bruno
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:35 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Rhumba / Milonga
Any suggestions on CDs with Rhumba Argentina?
-- Alan McPherron, Tangueros Unidos de Pittsburgh
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:37:12 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Rhumba / Milonga
The basic idea of the cortina, is to have people back to their tables, to end a tanda of "something" and introduce a tanda of "another something".
There are die hard dancers, that want to stay at the dancing floor, no matter what cortina you use .So sometimes the cortina is used as a " mosquitoe repelent" to have people out . I am not a DJ, but have the task to produce a half hour music for dance after our tango lesson is ended on our school.
So I notice it is very difficult to build an "atmosphere" , and be gentle with the dancers .If you play rhumba ,salsa, tropical, what usually happens is people kept dancing, or some people get out, but more people get in , so the DJ , with his brave face , keep playing the cortina-in-the-begininning-but-I-will-be -cursed -if-I-take -it-out .
The basic problem is : what do you want for the evening . Is it a tango night , or is it a popular music melange .
Many milonguero people in Buenos Aires complain about some milongas, where the DJs place long tandas of salsa ,rock,tropical ,and in between , some tango, milonga, valsecito. One milonguero commented me he do not go anymore to a milonga due to this reason. His brief and kiss-of-death words were "le falta tango-it lacks tango !"
I think a neutral music, instrumental , soft, could be a good cortina . I am hearing now some new reprints of Vinicius de Moraes, Maria Creuza and Tokinho , at a mytical cafe concert , La Fusa, on the 1970s . It is bossa nova , they sing but very peacefully . You have a style of music, so you can play all the CD , track by track , in fragments , and it maybe can give an atmosphere of warmth to the dancers ,also a relax or a break.
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
buenos aires
Keith Elshaw <keith@TOTANGO.NET> wrote:
Question for dj's and dancers;
Has anyone used the odd choice rhumba by say, Jose Garcia or Fransisco
Lomuto in milonga tandas for a special moment?
It's not too far a trip from funky Donato milongas to there. Just wondering
if anyone else's brain and body are as twisted as mine ...
This would go into the category of late-night creativity and dancing tango
to other music.
But I'm also having an interesting experience now dj-ing a Tango Brunch in a
tango dance hall/cafe on Sunday afternoons.
Before I started, I wasn't much up for the idea. You know, if you dance all
Saturday night and want to go out Sunday night, why would you go somewhere
Sunday afternoon?
But - surprise, surprise - I find the mood quite intoxicating in a
different way than night-time.
You can go different places with the music. A whole new area of
appropriateness in choice reveals itself in a mellow Sunday afternoon.
I might also say that the music I play cleaned from lp that sounds so rich
and mellow (Troilo, Dag/Var, Biagi, Di Sarli, D'Arienzo, Canaro) really
sounds delicious in daytime, too.
Anyhow, Rhumba Argentino. Anyone using it occasionally?
DJ Keith
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:53:22 -0400
From: Alan McPherron <mcph+@PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
> Any suggestions on CDs with "Rhumba Argentina"?
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Bruno replied:
> Rumbas:
>
> Carlos Gardel (Amor Tropical a.k.a. Sol Tropical)
> James Last or Buena Vista Social Club (Siboney)
> Buena Vista Social Club (Para Vigo me voy)
> Buena Vista Social Club (Dos Gardenias)
>
> Bruno
But heck, what's "Argentine" about those? -- Alan
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:28:49 +0200
From: "Kohlhaas, Bernhard" <bernhard.kohlhaas@SAP.COM>
Subject: Re: Rhumba / Milonga
There is one CD with Rhumbas by the German label Danza & Movimiento.
The title is "Tango Negro - Candombe y Rumbas Argentinas"
(not to be confused with the "Tango Negro" CD by Juan-Carlos Caceres").
Half of the CD are Candombes, half are Rhumbas.
You can listen to each track at
https://www.danzaymovimiento.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id681003006
I don't know, if this CD is available in the US though.
Best Regards,
Bernhard
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> From: Alan McPherron [mailto:mcph+@PITT.EDU]
> Sent: DSat, Oct 04, 2003 8:35 AM
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Rhumba / Milonga
>
>
> Any suggestions on CDs with Rhumba Argentina?
> -- Alan McPherron, Tangueros Unidos de Pittsburgh
>
