1422 Talking while dancing
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:29:01 -0500
From: Lois Donnay <donnay@DONNAY.NET>
Subject: Talking while dancing
What is the list's opinion about talking during a dance?
Lois Donnay
Minneapolis
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:30:25 -0400
From: Dario Mendiguren <C21DARI@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Talking while dancing
Bad, very very bad!!!!!!!
Dario
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:12:41 -0500
From: Bibi Wong <bibibwong@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Talking while dancing
May I also append my quest for feedbacks on humming during a dance (in close
embrace) . Worst, off tone?
I fully understand that the person who hums genuinely enjoys the music.
BB
>
>What is the list's opinion about talking during a dance?
>
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:56:02 -0700
From: Elemer Dubrovay <dubrovay@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Talking while dancing
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:29:01 -0500 Lois Donnay <donnay@DONNAY.NET>
writes:
> What is the list's opinion about talking during a dance?
>
> Lois Donnay
> Minneapolis
>
Beguiners do it a lot, they don't know how to listen and follow the
music.
Elemer in Redmond.
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 03:02:58 -0700
From: Richard deSousa <m1aport@ATTBI.COM>
Subject: Re: Talking while dancing
I don't think it should be done. It distracts the leader from navigating
the floor.
Rich
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> What is the list's opinion about talking during a dance?
>
> Lois Donnay
> Minneapolis
>
>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:19:20 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: talking while dancing
hi lois
you know me, i never quit talking to you while dancing, till you told me to shut up & dance... ;o) every dance can be different. leading is unconscious at this stage, so easy to have a conversation & i often get, caught up with people's while we're dancing. sometimes i don't say a word & let the dancing do the walking/talking. i often dance in the middle of the floor where i can do what i please when i want to & sometimes i dance the around the floor thing. no worries...
r
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:10:40 -0700
From: Jonathan Thornton <jnt@NOYAU.COM>
Subject: Re: talking while dancing
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> different. leading is unconscious at th is stage, so easy to have a
> conversation & i often get, caught up with people's
Rick,
It's happened to me to, BUT! then I am just going through the
motions. To me dancing is about music, not steps. I couldn't carry on a
conversation while playing drums, and I can't really dance while talking
either. I have to listen to the music and my partner and what I am
expressing. As soon as the verbal areas of the brain start up, well...it's
all over, it's just motion.
Dancing to me is not steps, or style (which may explain why some
posters to this list have trouble understanding me, that and I may just
not express myself very well). Personally, for me, dancing is moving
*expressively*. Now, I realize that many social dancers see dance as
moving rhythmically with the music, but I want to find the felt meaning of
the music in a bodily expression. I can't do that while verbally
expressing other stuff and I suspect it's a rare human brain that could
manage the two tasks. So I don't want to talk while dancing. Talk or
dance, one or the other is my strong preference.
peace,
Jonathan Thornton
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:21:13 -0500
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: talking while dancing
In Paper Tangos, Julie Taylor quotes a young milonguero as saying, "In a
tango, together with the girl--and it does not matter who she is--a man
remembers the bitter moments in his life, and he, she, and all who are
dancing contemplate a universal emotion. I do not like the woman to talk
to me when I dance tango. And if she speaks, I do not answer. Only when
she says to me 'Omar, I am speaking,' I answer, 'and I, I am dancing.'"
With best regards,
Steve
Stephen Brown
Tango Argentino de Tejas
https://www.tejastango.com/
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:15:35 -0700
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Talking while dancing
Please do not talk to me about worldly things or try
to hustle me to take lessons, but you are welcome to
sigh, giggle, purr, growl, or whisper lovely brief
piropos while we are dancing.
The custom of waiting a few moments before beginning
to dance provides for time to make those quick
exchanges of information in BsAs. That is when one
discusses plans for the coming week, suggests going
for coffee or lunch, finds out about special events,
learns that the time change will take effect or that a
Holiday is coming up which may affect attendance at milongas.
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:21:46 -0700
From: David Liu <luidisme@IMAP3.ASU.EDU>
Subject: talking while dancing (what a SIN ... ?)
At this point a number of people have chimed in
implying that there is never a reason to talk while
dancing ...
While you certainly don't have to talk while dancing,
there also shouldn't need to be a prohibition against
it.
Sometimes it can be fun to talk while dancing,
sometimes not. As long as you are sensitive to your
partners talking/not-talking wishes, do as you like.
David
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:36:21 -0400
From: Sergio <cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: talking while dancing
David Liu says:
"While you certainly don't have to talk while dancing,
there also shouldn't need to be a prohibition against
it."
Why do you tink that Argetine tango dancers should not talk while dancing?
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:31:57 -0700
From: Rick McGarrey <rickmcg@FLASH.NET>
Subject: talking while dancing
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:22:36 -0700
From: Tango Guy <tangomundo55@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: talking while dancing
Jonathan; Other then being a distraction to oneself and ones partner, talking can be a distraction to other dancers near-by.
Tango Guy
Jonathan Thornton <jnt@NOYAU.COM> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Rick FromPortland
wrote:
> different. leading is unconscious at th is stage, so easy to have a
> conversation & i often get, caught up with people's
Rick,
It's happened to me to, BUT! then I am just going through the
motions. To me dancing is about music, not steps. I couldn't carry on a
conversation while playing drums, and I can't really dance while talking
either. I have to listen to the music and my partner and what I am
expressing. As soon as the verbal areas of the brain start up, well...it's
all over, it's just motion.
Dancing to me is not steps, or style (which may explain why some
posters to this list have trouble understanding me, that and I may just
not express myself very well). Personally, for me, dancing is moving
*expressively*. Now, I realize that many social dancers see dance as
moving rhythmically with the music, but I want to find the felt meaning of
the music in a bodily expression. I can't do that while verbally
expressing other stuff and I suspect it's a rare human brain that could
manage the two tasks. So I don't want to talk while dancing. Talk or
dance, one or the other is my strong preference.
peace,
Jonathan Thornton
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:15:28 -0400
From: Sergio <cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Talking while dancing
Argentine tango is different from all the other dances in many ways.
Most ballroom dances are executed to a steady beat. You must follow this
beat by doing a fixed sequence of slow and fast steps. They are performed
to have fun.
Both partners may smile, laugh or even talk while dancing.
The dancer learns a series of patterns (usually about 10) in each level
(bronze, silver and gold). Both partners execute the same steps one the
mirror image of the other, except for some patterns (underarm turns for
instance). The leader starts leading a figure and the follower immediately
knows what follows.
The patterns are taught by counting steps, the student concentrates in the
count for a long time before the figures become ingrained and performed
automatically.
These patterns could be used fairly fast when dancing; it is necessary to
alternate different dances otherwise it could become repetitive and somewhat
boring.
Argentine tango has a beat but the dancer has the freedom to step whenever
he wishes (uses every beat, every second, every third). There are pauses.
There is no fixed sequence, syncopations can be used whenever necessary. It
is done for communication with your partner and for 'feeling'. There is a
more intimate contact of the bodies. There are adornments that are very
expressive of feminine and masculine feelings including "seduction moves".
The dancer learns a large number of 'links' that may be connected in an
infinite way, the same as the letters form words and paragraphs.
The dance is asymmetrical, the leader does certain steps while asking the
follower to execute totally different ones.
The woman does not know what is coming next. There is no need to count
anything as the dance is improvised.
The possibilities as to steps and figures is almost infinite. Each tango is
different from the previous one, each one is another experience which varies
enormously when dancing with different partners. They are all diverse so
there is no need to alternate different dances, one can dance tangos all
night long.
The dancers are highly concentrated in the music, in each other and are in
communion with the other dancers on the floor.
The woman is extremely attentive to feel the lead, the music and make an
interpretation of both.
The man is highly concentrated to feel the music, his partner and to propose
the different steps to her while doing an artistic interpretation of the
music and being alert to the position of the other dancers. The faces are
pensive, thoughtful, the face serious.
There could be a 'magic experience' from time to time, some sort of
autohypnosis that is very inebriating.
There is no talking because the mind is occupied in all the other activities
as described above. Talking while dancing means that the dancer thinks of
Argentine tango as if it was (cha-cha or fox-trot) danced automatically.
There is no concentration when one is talking, as the intelect follows a
conversation.
In this circumstances one dances in automatic pilot, robbing the partner of
the sublime experience that a properly danced tango may provide.
These (IMO) are the reasons why one should not talk while dancing Argentine
Tango.
Will continue.
