2582 Tango and Politics 2004
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:08:22 -0600
From: Brian Dunn <brian@DANCEOFTHEHEART.COM>
Subject: Tango and Politics 2004
Hello tango lovers,
In the spirit of clarifying our cultural choices in the political arena, I
submit the following for your consideration, quoted from a recent Maureen
Dowd column in the New York Times:
>>>>
NEW ORLEANS -- Here are five things you might not know about John F. Kerry:
* Like W., he loved ''Cats.''
* Like his hero J.F.K., he was crazy about the musical ''Camelot'' and
Marilyn Monroe (but only on screen).
* Like Dennis Kucinich, he writes soulful poetry.
* Like my older brother Michael, he never got over the image of Elizabeth
Taylor in a white bathing suit in ''A Place in the Sun.''
* Like that other earnest Massachusetts liberal, Michael Dukakis, he is
drawn to the sultry tango. (Then again, tango is called the dance of
''vertical solitude.'')
......
Mr. Kerry is not a simple brush-clearing, ESPN-watching fellow. Just as he
has an almost comically vast palette of aggressive masculine sports and
hobbies, with costumes and gear, he has a vast palette of cultural
preferences.
.....
The Republicans cast Mr. Kerry as dour and angry, but he likes comedies like
''The Blues Brothers'' and ''Animal House'' and old-fashioned romantic
epics, like ''Scaramouche,'' ''Ivanhoe'' and ''Indiana Jones.''
And finally, dancing. ''I can rock and roll,'' he said. ''And I'd love to
learn to tango.''...
<<<<
Ninety-eight days until November 2nd - Happy voting!
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:00:16 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: Tango and Politics 2004
Hello all.
In the rest of the world (eg here in the UK, Argentina, Italy, Canada,
Australia, Germany, Japan, Russia, etc etc etc) we also have
politics...and tango! :-)
In the spirit of clarification of our cultural choices (in the meagre,
sad, backward, rest of the world, of course) in the political arena I
can offer the following for your consideration:
WESTMINSTER -- Nothing tango-related to report about Blair, his cabinet
cronies, or any of the leaders of the opposition.
ROME -- Hmmm, I'm afraid nothing here either... Berlusconi is a secret
man.
BUENOS AIRES -- Probably but, tut-tut, I just don't know.
BRUSSELS -- Again nothing
OTTAWA -- Mmm...perhaps someone should ask them.
CANBERRA -- A lot of jumping around by the political leaders, but
tango?...No.
:-(
Well, 'x' number of days until all respective elections...happy voting
all you unfortunate people who do not live in the wonderful country to
which all other nations must 'kow-tow' and dance a merry tango to.
;-)))
Come to think of it, perhaps I have accidentally managed to sneak onto a
'for-Americans-only' Tango-L...?
>:-)
Dani
Edinburgh
United Kingdom
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 27 July 2004 23:08
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Tango and Politics 2004
Hello tango lovers,
In the spirit of clarifying our cultural choices in the political arena,
I
submit the following for your consideration, quoted from a recent
Maureen
Dowd column in the New York Times:
>>>>
NEW ORLEANS -- Here are five things you might not know about John F.
Kerry:
* Like W., he loved ''Cats.''
* Like his hero J.F.K., he was crazy about the musical ''Camelot'' and
Marilyn Monroe (but only on screen).
* Like Dennis Kucinich, he writes soulful poetry.
* Like my older brother Michael, he never got over the image of
Elizabeth
Taylor in a white bathing suit in ''A Place in the Sun.''
* Like that other earnest Massachusetts liberal, Michael Dukakis, he is
drawn to the sultry tango. (Then again, tango is called the dance of
''vertical solitude.'')
......
Mr. Kerry is not a simple brush-clearing, ESPN-watching fellow. Just as
he
has an almost comically vast palette of aggressive masculine sports and
hobbies, with costumes and gear, he has a vast palette of cultural
preferences.
.....
The Republicans cast Mr. Kerry as dour and angry, but he likes comedies
like
''The Blues Brothers'' and ''Animal House'' and old-fashioned romantic
epics, like ''Scaramouche,'' ''Ivanhoe'' and ''Indiana Jones.''
And finally, dancing. ''I can rock and roll,'' he said. ''And I'd love
to
learn to tango.''...
<<<<
Ninety-eight days until November 2nd - Happy voting!
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:36:46 -0700
From: Tango Dancer <tango_1908@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango and Politics 2004
sorry to disappoint you Daniel, but nobody cares about Tony : he is and he will always be the proud puppy of every US president
tango-l:
it would be better to change it to a Dutch list
(since Dutch (unlike most Americans) have an Argentine-like approach to tango... )
(and they are - by far- the best dancers -after the Argentinians)
and perhaps people, could avoid like that the 'i know everything' pardons of tango-l...
by the way, i am not Dutch
Marco
Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK> wrote:
Hello all.
In the rest of the world (eg here in the UK, Argentina, Italy, Canada,
Australia, Germany, Japan, Russia, etc etc etc) we also have
politics...and tango! :-)
In the spirit of clarification of our cultural choices (in the meagre,
sad, backward, rest of the world, of course) in the political arena I
can offer the following for your consideration:
WESTMINSTER -- Nothing tango-related to report about Blair, his cabinet
cronies, or any of the leaders of the opposition.
ROME -- Hmmm, I'm afraid nothing here either... Berlusconi is a secret
man.
BUENOS AIRES -- Probably but, tut-tut, I just don't know.
BRUSSELS -- Again nothing
OTTAWA -- Mmm...perhaps someone should ask them.
CANBERRA -- A lot of jumping around by the political leaders, but
tango?...No.
:-(
Well, 'x' number of days until all respective elections...happy voting
all you unfortunate people who do not live in the wonderful country to
which all other nations must 'kow-tow' and dance a merry tango to.
;-)))
Come to think of it, perhaps I have accidentally managed to sneak onto a
'for-Americans-only' Tango-L...?
>:-)
Dani
Edinburgh
United Kingdom
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 27 July 2004 23:08
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Tango and Politics 2004
Hello tango lovers,
In the spirit of clarifying our cultural choices in the political arena,
I
submit the following for your consideration, quoted from a recent
Maureen
Dowd column in the New York Times:
>>>>
NEW ORLEANS -- Here are five things you might not know about John F.
Kerry:
* Like W., he loved ''Cats.''
* Like his hero J.F.K., he was crazy about the musical ''Camelot'' and
Marilyn Monroe (but only on screen).
* Like Dennis Kucinich, he writes soulful poetry.
* Like my older brother Michael, he never got over the image of
Elizabeth
Taylor in a white bathing suit in ''A Place in the Sun.''
* Like that other earnest Massachusetts liberal, Michael Dukakis, he is
drawn to the sultry tango. (Then again, tango is called the dance of
''vertical solitude.'')
......
Mr. Kerry is not a simple brush-clearing, ESPN-watching fellow. Just as
he
has an almost comically vast palette of aggressive masculine sports and
hobbies, with costumes and gear, he has a vast palette of cultural
preferences.
.....
The Republicans cast Mr. Kerry as dour and angry, but he likes comedies
like
''The Blues Brothers'' and ''Animal House'' and old-fashioned romantic
epics, like ''Scaramouche,'' ''Ivanhoe'' and ''Indiana Jones.''
And finally, dancing. ''I can rock and roll,'' he said. ''And I'd love
to
learn to tango.''...
<<<<
Ninety-eight days until November 2nd - Happy voting!
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:48:48 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: Tango and Politics 2004
Greetings Marco.
There are a few points to which I should respond:
i. I take exception to the first point you made; I quote: "nobody cares
about Tony". This is complete nonsense! His wife, kids and parents care
considerably for him! >:-)))
ii. I'd be interested to know what your perception of what you call the
"Argentine-like approach" is? Could you please explain? The reason I ask
is that my experience with Dutch tango (even though there are many good
dancers in Holland and a comparatively huge tango following) is that it
has deviated from what I consider the principles of Argentine Tango. I
have been many times to both BsAs and Holland for tango and I do see a
difference in style. Argentine Tango is Argentinian and authentic
tango...Dutch tango is Dutch tango (with some exceptions, of course). I
prefer Argentina.
iii. You say "and they are - by far- the best dancers -after the
Argentinians". Nonsensical statement. How can you attribute great or
even good dancing to any one nationality...???! It is not the
nationality that makes a good dancer but the individual. There are great
dancers all over the world. Just because someone is a particular
nationality does not imbue him (or her) with the talent to be a great
dancer.
They attribute singing with Italians (and, indeed, there are many great
singers throughout time from Italy)...but what about Bjoerling? Swedish.
McCormack? Irish.
As for dancers: Astaire? Austrian-American. Kelly? American. Nureyev?
Russian. Etc etc etc
And fighters: Marciano? Italian-American. Clay/Ali? African-American.
Duran? Panamanian. Cooper? British. McGuigan? Irish. Etc etc etc
I could go on and on through all walks and disciplines of life. The
point is that there are good and bad in every sphere. I have seen bad
Argentinian dancers...of course I have; I have also seen and know (as we
all do) of many great dancers. The talent of great dancing is not,
however, restricted to the Argentine nation.
iv. "and perhaps people, could avoid like that the 'i know everything'
pardons of tango-l...". I'm afraid I don't understand what you are
getting at here. Are you havin g a dig at me for my posting, or are you
supporting the undertext that the world does not revolve around America
and the Americans as they seem to think. By the way, I am not completely
anti-American as some of you may think. My sister is in California, I
have other relatives (whom I have visited) in Colorado (Louisville,
Brian, near yourself in Boulder. I've even eaten at 'Colacci's'!),
Wyoming, NJ, MD.
v. So, what nationality are you? "Marco" sounds Italian (like me)...
Best wishes
Dani
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 28 July 2004 09:37
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tango and Politics 2004
sorry to disappoint you Daniel, but nobody cares about Tony : he is and
he will always be the proud puppy of every US president
tango-l:
it would be better to change it to a Dutch list
(since Dutch (unlike most Americans) have an Argentine-like approach to
tango... )
(and they are - by far- the best dancers -after the Argentinians)
and perhaps people, could avoid like that the 'i know everything'
pardons of tango-l...
by the way, i am not Dutch
Marco
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:54:47 -0700
From: Tango Dancer <tango_1908@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango and Politics 2004
>Dutch tango is Dutch tango (with some exceptions, of course). I
>prefer Argentina.
Join the club Daniel, everyone prefers Argentina... But after Argentina? What? England? France? Turkey? Italy? I say Netherlands...
> iii. You say "and they are - by far- the best dancers -after the
> Argentinians". Nonsensical statement. How can you attribute great or
> even good dancing to any one nationality...???!
You cannot.
It is just a matter of kilometers/miles
Milongas in Netherlands are much better than any other place in Europe
And people there dance a lot...
And further more, here are my personal statistics:
(A) 9 out of 10 of Dutch followers, just by embracing me, they make me feel
like a king
(B) 5 out of 10 non Dutch European ladies make me insecure with their
embrace (you feel that something is missing there)
and:
in (B) I have to be really careful and selective with my partners
in (A) I am not selective at all (I don't need to be selective in Netherlands)
-I am not anti-American at all. I just disagree with US foreign policy.
Democrats & Republicans are the same. They believe in the same God: U$D
-no personal attack to u or anyone else
-I hate writing or reading long emails
-All the above come from my personal experience (ie. 50% chances to be
completely wrong)
ciao,
marco
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:24:35 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: Tango and Politics 2004
I liked your response, Marco. :-)))
Out of all the milongas I have been to in Europe, I imagine it is true
what you say re your point about The Netherlands having the best
milongas up Europe way. Although I haven't attended ALL European
milongas, I have been to Dutch milongas many times and no other milonga
I've attended in Europe is comparable.
Ciao paesano!
Dani
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 28 July 2004 21:55
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tango and Politics 2004
>Dutch tango is Dutch tango (with some exceptions, of course). I
>prefer Argentina.
Join the club Daniel, everyone prefers Argentina... But after Argentina?
What? England? France? Turkey? Italy? I say Netherlands...
> iii. You say "and they are - by far- the best dancers -after the
> Argentinians". Nonsensical statement. How can you attribute great or
> even good dancing to any one nationality...???!
You cannot.
It is just a matter of kilometers/miles
Milongas in Netherlands are much better than any other place in Europe
And people there dance a lot...
And further more, here are my personal statistics:
(A) 9 out of 10 of Dutch followers, just by embracing me, they make me
feel
like a king
(B) 5 out of 10 non Dutch European ladies make me insecure with their
embrace (you feel that something is missing there)
and:
in (B) I have to be really careful and selective with my partners
in (A) I am not selective at all (I don't need to be selective in
Netherlands)
-I am not anti-American at all. I just disagree with US foreign policy.
Democrats & Republicans are the same. They believe in the same God: U$D
-no personal attack to u or anyone else
-I hate writing or reading long emails
-All the above come from my personal experience (ie. 50% chances to be
completely wrong)
ciao,
marco
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:42:03 -0400
From: Shahrukh Merchant <shahrukh@shahrukhmerchant.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Tango and Politics
To: tango-l@mit.edu
In case anyone had any lingering doubts as to whether Tango is really
Argentine, Argentina now has, or presumably will soon have, its very own
Tango Political Party. Seems like the next logical step in the evolution
of the Tango, no?
At the website of the "Partido Pol?tico Tango" (www.pptango.com.ar),
they state that the formal filing was done on June 30th of this year.
The site contains a motley set of links with vaguely populist themes
(mostly from what must have been a burst of energy between May and July
2007). There are also links to the Argentine constitution and a set of
Apartment Regulations for, of all places, Colombia (go figure ...).
In case anyone thinks that this is just another cheap attempt to
capitalize on the name of Tango? by someone who knows nothing about it,
Mr. Ricardo Montesino, the founder of this party, is also the founder of
the still-active 42-year-old "Bar Sur" in San Telmo (one of the somewhat
less touristy Tango show venues), so his Tango credentials are genuine.
His political credentials are no doubt developing, though a good start
may be to change the classification of "Partido Pol?tico Tango" on his
LinkedIn page, where he is listed as the "Owner" [sic], from
"Entertainment Industry" to something else, although one could argue
that "Entertainment Industry (With Possibly Significant Collateral
Damage)" may not be a bad classification for most political parties (and
not just in Argentina ...). But we digress.
You may read an interview of Mr. Montesino at
https://www.bar-sur.com.ar/prensa-notamontesino40aniv.html. And you
should definitely try to visit Bar Sur when you are in Buenos Aires,
even if you don't see a show there.
Shahrukh
