1133 Traspie
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:52:14 -0800
From: "Larry E. Carroll" <larrydla@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Traspie
And now - more hubris!
Traspie (literally stumble or trip) is dancing short, quick steps. If
done very quickly some of the steps fall between the beats of music.
One way to do traspie is when leading your partner in an ocho. When she
does each pivot step, do three very quick steps to her one, just as she
is pivoting.
Another is while moving in a straight line. The man does four short quick
steps while she does two, or six very short, very quick steps to her two.
He has to do his steps very smoothly, or the woman will feel his
upper body weight changes and try to match his quick steps.
On both of these only the man does traspie. Here's an example that Omar
Vega teaches where both partners do it. It's from the view of the
woman; the man's part is the same but reversed.
(It's usually a good idea to teach the woman's part first. Not only
does she need to know it, but it is what the man has to focus on. He
has to lead her part, and once he knows her part often his part becomes
obvious.)
Step RIGHT TO THE SIDE, LEFT TO THE SIDE, RIGHT IN PLACE.
The last two steps are done on the starting spot, so that it's like
a quick side trip with her right foot.
(The man's part, of course, is LEFT TO THE SIDE, RIGHT TO THE SIDE,
LEFT IN PLACE.)
This is done in three steps so quick that the middle step is between
two beats of music.
Then the woman does the mirror image of the pattern. This is LEFT SIDE,
RIGHT SIDE, LEFT IN PLACE. (The man's part is RIGHT SIDE, LEFT SIDE,
RIGHT IN PLACE.)
Leading this is tricky, because the steps are so fast. On the first
half of the pattern, the man must tilt his left arm up SLIGHTLY and
return quickly to the center. On the second half, he does the opposite
- tilt his right arm up and return quickly to the center.
I emphasisize "slightly" because too much tilt will pull her off her
center in the wrong direction, rather than keep her in the center of
the pattern.
This pattern is stationary. To move along the floor, the leader can do
the last step of either triple FORWARD rather than in place. Or do both
of them forward.
Larry de Los Angeles
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:34:20 -0800
From: Rick FromPdx <bugs1959bunny@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Traspie
I noticed my fav partners, adding some extra small steps, while we were dancing close-embrace. This happened just after Omar V. visited & taught here in Portland. Next this I knew, I was adding them myself, modeled after what my friends were doing. One who was quite fond of Mr. V's dancing ;-) She used some metaphor connected with dancing with butterflies.
Rick
More, kids say the darndest things:
* Solomon, one of David's sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines.
* When Mary heard that she was the mother of Jesus, she sang the Magna Carta.
* When the three wise guys from the east side arrived, they found Jesus in the manager.
* Jesus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption.
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:52:52 +0200
From: Ki Aikido Kidojo <kiaikido@KIDOJO.IT>
Subject: EU-W: Florence/Italy -1 month milonga with traspies
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:28:46 +0000
From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@CENDERIS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Men and milonga, traspie, etc.
A few women have told me that quite a few men don't seem to get the
hang of milonga---that some just dance tango, approximately to the
rhythm.
One possibility that occurs to me is that some teachers teach traspie
too soon---perhaps delaying or preventing men from learning the basic
rhythm of milonga, blurring the difference between milonga and tango.
One (female) teacher made a related point while teaching a workshop on
decorations.
Her argument was that once upon a time, milonga was danced almost all
in a simple rhythm, and that women would often decorate elaborately.
But as time progressed, male teachers who had never learned to follow
very well came to prominence, and since they'd never learned to follow
well enough to decorate in milonga, they tended to be less reluctant
to dance and teach traspie than the older men. (Milonga is nice for
decoration because it has a very predictable regular rhythm of led
steps, so provided the follower is fast enough, she knows when the
next step is coming and can decorate freely before it comes. Traspie
takes that space away from her.)
And so traspie became more and more popular, and decoration in milonga
became less and less popular.
So there's another possibility: maybe the men can't dance milonga, but
perhaps it's that they've never danced with women who could dance it
really well. I know plenty of women who clearly understand the
rhythm, but *very* few who decorate.
(I'm not blaming anyone, particularly---it must be very hard to learn
to decorate when just about every leader is trying to lead traspie all
the time; and vice versa, it's hard to resist dancing some double-time
rhythms when you just know your partner's not going to attempt any
decorations anyway. It's just that I think we're all missing
something very special because of it.)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:10:21 -0700
From: Lima <amilsolrac@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Traspie' and habanera pattern
Let's look at the pattern again:
.1 & 2 & 1 & 2 & 1
Pa'n ca fe' con pa'n ca fe' con pa'n etc
.um pa um pa um
The one-size-fits-all traspie' can go anywhere where I have an &.
So it can be fe'-con-pa'n (three little steps, quick quick slow), or
pa'n-stepcafe' (ditto). Or both in a row, 5 little steps. To do these
traspie's easily it is better to forget about the habanera pattern and just
walk on the ums and the pas, and in between. The pattern just complicates
your life.
There are countless other, more complicated, traspie' possibilities. I just
though up a new one, to be tried this week end: step on each syllable of
{pa'n cafe'y con}. 5 little steps.
In numbers: {one a-two-a-and one a-two-a-and }
To facilitate understanding of the postings by Kos.Zahariev and Ricardo
Tanturi (do NOT miss them) by those without basic musical knowledge, here is
a little more help.
In {pa'n cafe'-con-} ...
pa'n is what they call the dotted 8th note
ca is what they call the 16th note
fe' and con are what they call the 8th notes
Christopher:
I am trying to address your other questions, please be patient.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:38:09 -0400
From: jackie ling wong <jackie.wong@VERIZON.NET>
Subject: milonga traspie question
someone mentioned milonga traspie and contrapaso (sp?)..
can someone explain what contrapaso is ?
thanks
jackie
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