2936  V-frame visual aid

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:50:04 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: V-frame visual aid

The elephant tale is very appropriate here. To solve the mistery of V-frame
Carrie helpfully reminded of link to pictures from Portland festival.

Examples.

Close embrace:

https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20598.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20603.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20485.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20452.htm

V-frame:

https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/08.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20453.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20470.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20473.htm

Even more obvious V-frame with legs shown: https://dancetutor.com/tw6-1.jpg

Post close embrace:

https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20907.htm

Janni from Colorado Springs:

https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20492.htm


Cheers, Oleh K.
Colorado Springs
https://TangoSpring.com


>From: bodenst-tango9427@MAILBLOCKS.COM
>Reply-To: bodenst-tango9427@MAILBLOCKS.COM
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] V frame. VS. ARGENTINA'S WAY
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:58:55 -0700
>
>Listeros:
>
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/index.htm
>Here are some recent photos of couples dancing at TangoFest in
>Portland. There are dancers from all over the country and the world
>represented here. There are dancers of all styles, as well:
>milongero/apilado, tango salon, nuevo tango, etc. Sometimes what one
>sees with the eye is different from what one feels with the body or
>with the heart, or what one has learned theoretically. I submit this
>link merely as evidence for your consideration. Judge for yourself
>from these pictures whether or not people ever dance (even momentarily)
>in a parallel frame.
>
>If you missed them, there are lots of other wonderful, delightful
>photos on this site as well.
>
>In any event, it seems to me that this thread has been exhausted.
>
>Abrazos,
>Carrie
>
>~~~~~~~~
>"Guys, to dance tango, you must listen to the heart of the woman."
>--Cacho Dante
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ecsedy Aron" <aron@MILONGA.HU>
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Sent: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:07:56 +0200
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] V frame. VS. ARGENTINA'S WAY
>
>Dear Listeros,
>
>I've just checked all my tango pictures and I couldn't find a single one
>in a 'parallel' position. Gavito's name was referred in some earlier
>letter: I have a nice picture on him with his partner in a beautiful
>v-shape.
>
>I think we are having a communication problem here.
>
>Some people probably thought that the 'v-shape' is something like a
>ballroom promande position. Actually after some checking of poses, I
>found that international tango IS parallel (but offset to the right),
>but in argentine tango... (you must turn your head right or left to
>accomodate the partners head - which requires quite a flexibility to do,
>even without dancing, if your shoulders are completely parallel.)
>
>Actually, I don't remember to have seen tango danced in true parallel.
>
>I've sent some pictures to Carlos to demonstrate (taken in BsAs: one on
>the street, one at a milonga, one at a performance by Gavito and one
>with Balmaceda).
>
>Check your photos and PLEASE send me some where I can see parallel
>shoulders!
>
>Thank you!
>
>Cheers,
>Aron
>
>LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>






Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:07:48 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: V-frame visual aid

Couple more:

Close embrace (follower faces to the right, not my favorite head orientation
- prevents me from moving my head if needed, makes me selfconcious of my
possibly bad breath, she cannot watch my back):

https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20593.htm

V-frame:

https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20501.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20509.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20592.htm

Open embrace:

https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20476.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20432.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/11.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/12.htm
https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20588.htm

>
>The elephant tale is very appropriate here. To solve the mistery of V-frame
>Carrie helpfully reminded of link to pictures from Portland festival.
>
>Examples.
>
>Close embrace:
>
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20598.htm
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20603.htm
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20485.htm
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20452.htm
>
>V-frame:
>
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/08.htm
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20453.htm
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20470.htm
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20473.htm
>
>Even more obvious V-frame with legs shown: https://dancetutor.com/tw6-1.jpg
>
>Post close embrace:
>
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20907.htm
>
>Janni from Colorado Springs:
>
>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/pages/Picture%20492.htm
>
>
>Cheers, Oleh K.
>Colorado Springs
>https://TangoSpring.com
>
>
>>From: bodenst-tango9427@MAILBLOCKS.COM
>>Reply-To: bodenst-tango9427@MAILBLOCKS.COM
>>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] V frame. VS. ARGENTINA'S WAY
>>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:58:55 -0700
>>
>>Listeros:
>>
>>https://www.close-embrace.com/latenightportland101604/index.htm
>>Here are some recent photos of couples dancing at TangoFest in
>>Portland. There are dancers from all over the country and the world
>>represented here. There are dancers of all styles, as well:
>>milongero/apilado, tango salon, nuevo tango, etc. Sometimes what one
>>sees with the eye is different from what one feels with the body or
>>with the heart, or what one has learned theoretically. I submit this
>>link merely as evidence for your consideration. Judge for yourself
>>from these pictures whether or not people ever dance (even momentarily)
>>in a parallel frame.
>>
>>If you missed them, there are lots of other wonderful, delightful
>>photos on this site as well.
>>
>>In any event, it seems to me that this thread has been exhausted.
>>
>>Abrazos,
>>Carrie
>>
>>~~~~~~~~
>>"Guys, to dance tango, you must listen to the heart of the woman."
>>--Cacho Dante
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Ecsedy Aron" <aron@MILONGA.HU>
>>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>Sent: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:07:56 +0200
>>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] V frame. VS. ARGENTINA'S WAY
>>
>>Dear Listeros,
>>
>>I've just checked all my tango pictures and I couldn't find a single one
>>in a 'parallel' position. Gavito's name was referred in some earlier
>>letter: I have a nice picture on him with his partner in a beautiful
>>v-shape.
>>
>>I think we are having a communication problem here.
>>
>>Some people probably thought that the 'v-shape' is something like a
>>ballroom promande position. Actually after some checking of poses, I
>>found that international tango IS parallel (but offset to the right),
>>but in argentine tango... (you must turn your head right or left to
>>accomodate the partners head - which requires quite a flexibility to do,
>>even without dancing, if your shoulders are completely parallel.)
>>
>>Actually, I don't remember to have seen tango danced in true parallel.
>>
>>I've sent some pictures to Carlos to demonstrate (taken in BsAs: one on
>>the street, one at a milonga, one at a performance by Gavito and one
>>with Balmaceda).
>>
>>Check your photos and PLEASE send me some where I can see parallel
>>shoulders!
>>
>>Thank you!
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Aron
>>
>>LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>>
>
>




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