3819  Flights to Argentina

Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:03:11 +0100
From: Andrew RYSER SZYMAŃSKI
<arrabaltango@YAHOO.CO.UK>
Subject: Flights to Argentina

Dear All,

Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay do not comply with
international safety standards and are listed in
Category 2:

"Category 2, Does Not Comply with ICAO Standards: The
Federal Aviation Administration assessed this
country's civil aviation authority (CAA) and
determined that it does not provide safety oversight
of its air carrier operators in accordance with the
minimum safety oversight standards established by the
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).
This rating is applied if one or more of the following
deficiencies are identified:
-the country lacks laws or regulations necessary to
support the certification and oversight of air
carriers in accordance with minimum international
standards;
-the CAA lacks the technical expertise, resources, and
organization to license or oversee air carrier
operations;
-the CAA does not have adequately trained and
qualified technical personnel;
-the CAA does not provide adequate inspector guidance
to ensure enforcement of, and compliance with, minimum
international standards;
AND
-the CAA has insufficient documentation and records of
certification and inadequate continuing oversight and
surveillance of air carrier operations."
For full details:-

https://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_initiatives/oversight/iasa/
& click on "Results"

Cheers,

Andy.


Andrew W. RYSER SZYMAQSKI,
16, Lancaster Road,
London, W11 1QP,
020-7221 4643
07944 128 739.



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Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:20:45 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Flights to Argentina

https://www.planecrashinfo.com/2000/2000.htm

Andrew says : "Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay do not comply with
international safety standards and are listed in
Category 2:"...

I thank Andrew for his valuable information, I must say that in my
experience (I, my family and some friends have traveled by Air frequently,
every single year for the last 35 years using Aerolineas Argentinas and
several other Argentine Airlines) the Argentine Airlines have an excellent
record with respect to safety, probably better than that of most other
countries. I only remember an incident a few years ago when a plain landed
at Aeroparque and run into a busy street and perhaps a few private plain
crashes.

If you consult the database at: https://www.planecrashinfo.com/2000/2000.htm

You will notice that all the airplane accidents are listed since 1900 on to
the present. I read the last five years (2000 - 2005) there are no accidents
listed for Argentina but there are some listed for American Airlines and
United (two companies that fly to Argentina from the USA).

During all these years I found that Aerolineas Argentinas had the lowest
airfare when the tickets are bought from discounted agencies. Service is
excellent including free wine, beer and after dinner drinks.

The only problem I found was that workers are sometimes striking asking for
higher salaries causing unnecessary delays.

Best regards, Sergio.

Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:28:38 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Flights to Argentina - Correct address for datebase

https://www.planecrashinfo.com/

The correct database address is the one above.

Sergio

Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:53:58 +0200
From: Christian Lüthen <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Flights to Argentina

also always helpful:
www.airdisaster.com

allthough I did not really understand the motivation for Andrew's
posting.



helpful as well regarding the argentinian airtraffic situation is the
following forum on the net:
https://aeropuertosarg.com.ar/losforos/index.php

we found valuable information there recently concerning the near
bancruptacy of argentinian low cost carrier 'southern winds'. they
were the current price beater in argentina (ie. bs.as. salta return for
as low as 100 euros return during special campaigns and for about
135 euro as normal low fare) and also overseas to madrid but they
had to return their leased 747 due to financial problems earlier
(therefore no intercont flights any more) and also just about a month
ago had to return further smaller planes which currently only leaves
them one single 737 in operation. therefore they had to cut down
routes and combine routes. with them having only one plane in
operation we decided against them as we felt that production
pressure might be to high on them (read: they risk more to keep the
flight schedule instead of perfect maintainance). also we did not
know wether they might go out off buisiness totally leaving us
without flights but paid safaris from Salta. we flew AR for double the
price but even now afterwards (when southern winds is still flying)
we do not regret that we have spent extra money. [btw: onboard
service on Aerolineas was good, very good ... much better than ie.
domestic (european) flights of KLM!]

hope this info helps a bit.
christian


p.s.: just minutes before grabbing the taxi to flyi back to europe last
friday we even dared to visit the grave of Carlitos ... =:-o




On 18 Sep 2005 at 14:20, Sergio Vandekier wrote:

> https://www.planecrashinfo.com/2000/2000.htm
>
> Andrew says : "Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay do not comply with
> international safety standards and are listed in
> Category 2:"...
>
> I thank Andrew for his valuable information, I must say that in my
> experience (I, my family and some friends have traveled by Air frequently,
> every single year for the last 35 years using Aerolineas Argentinas and
> several other Argentine Airlines) the Argentine Airlines have an excellent
> record with respect to safety, probably better than that of most other
> countries. I only remember an incident a few years ago when a plain landed
> at Aeroparque and run into a busy street and perhaps a few private plain
> crashes.
>
> If you consult the database at: https://www.planecrashinfo.com/2000/2000.htm
>
> You will notice that all the airplane accidents are listed since 1900 on to
> the present. I read the last five years (2000 - 2005) there are no accidents
> listed for Argentina but there are some listed for American Airlines and
> United (two companies that fly to Argentina from the USA).
>
> During all these years I found that Aerolineas Argentinas had the lowest
> airfare when the tickets are bought from discounted agencies. Service is
> excellent including free wine, beer and after dinner drinks.
>
> The only problem I found was that workers are sometimes striking asking for
> higher salaries causing unnecessary delays.
>
> Best regards, Sergio.
>
>