5516 Funniest Tango video
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:00:40 -0800
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
Chris:
Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
:)))))))))))))
I am crying,
What is the next number?
Igor Polk
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:39:26 -0800 (PST)
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
As the title makes clear, this is the summation of a
workshop, not a dance. I have danced with two of you
critics. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle
a bad tango dancer.
--- Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> Chris:
>
> Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid:
> >
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
>
>
> :)))))))))))))
> I am crying,
> What is the next number?
>
> Igor Polk
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:04:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
Let's see. They come to town and give a workshop.
The women learn to be flexible and fun, like her. The
men learn to be in sync with their partner, like him.
Sweet! Sounds like a fun afternoon.
--- Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> Chris:
>
> Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid:
> >
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
>
>
> :)))))))))))))
> I am crying,
> What is the next number?
>
> Igor Polk
>
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:30 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
> As the title makes clear, this is the summation of a workshop,
The title does no such thing. And if you've experienced this teacher's
classes, you'll know this stuff is unfortunately not confined to the end.
Regardless, the ultimate summation of any workshop is its contribution to
the students' development. What sort of contribution do you think is made
by an hour spent copying a teacher abusing a girl?
> I have danced with two of you critics.
And I have danced with the teacher being criticised.
--
Chris
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:02:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
I see a woman having fun with her partner.
I see contribution. Good or or not so good? That's
subjective. But, I see contribution.
Look for the positive and you will learn to see the
contribution.
Many of us, out here, learn from watching new dancers,
bad dancers and dancers that don't dance like us.
I see contribution.
I see no abuse.
You see?
--- "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
> > As the title makes clear, this is the summation of
> a workshop,
>
> The title does no such thing. And if you've
> experienced this teacher's
> classes, you'll know this stuff is unfortunately not
> confined to the end.
>
> Regardless, the ultimate summation of any workshop
> is its contribution to
> the students' development. What sort of contribution
> do you think is made
> by an hour spent copying a teacher abusing a girl?
>
> > I have danced with two of you critics.
>
> And I have danced with the teacher being criticised.
>
> --
> Chris
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:24:45 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
What sort of contribution do you think is made
> by an hour spent copying a teacher abusing a girl?
My favourite is when he says:"Change the postition..." Whoa, good grief !
watch again:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
If you love this guy, he is on bailatango.com
I have danced at his milonga in Istanbul and that was not bad at all, but
these guys are fast ! Never give you a break. Noone manhandled me the way
their boss does in this video, though. Wonder if Metin reads this, he is a
member of this list, or was, anyway.
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:50:59 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
What sort of contribution do you think is made
> by an hour spent copying a teacher abusing a girl?
>
>> I have danced with two of you critics.
>
> And I have danced with the teacher being criticised.
I read on his website that his principle in teaching tango is the message
"No hesitation !" After Istanbul, I thought, this was about their speed and
no pauses at all, but in this video I see, it is not limited to this.
Reminds me of the song "Der Erlenkoenig": "Und bist du nicht willig, so
brauch' ich Gewalt!"/ And if you are not willing then I will use force..."
These guys certainly learn how to lead, no matter what... Isn't it, Chris?
And tango- for- her can see no abuse. I think you should change your name to
"tango for me !". Does this give you an idea why women generally do not
appreciate being called a violin, brush, broom or whatever in tango?
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:56:47 -0600
From: "Tango Society of Central Illinois" <tango.society@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
<cff24c340801252056t51631e7r3b190d54a9b032b8@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/25/08, Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> Chris:
>
> Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
This video is a perfect example of why there is chaos on the dance
floor at milongas all around the world. None of what is demonstrated
is social tango dancing. Social tango dancing is not about fancy
steps; it is about connecting with your partner and the music and
respecting those around you on the dance floor with good navigation.
Why do people waste their hard earned money on this misrepresentation
of tango?
It you called it by another name (e.g., just plain "NUEVO", drop the
"TANGO") and stopped calling the gatherings where you dance this stuff
"MILONGAS", that would at least be more honest..
Ron
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:08:55 +1100
From: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
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I wouldn't call this nuevo. Nuevo is about deconstructing the dance and reconstructing it. To me good nuevo is original and organic dancing per what I saw at places like Viruta and Villa Malcolm. I just love it when I see someone do something and think - wow I don't think anyone else in the world has taken that step in that particular direction or with that timing or placement of feet. It doesn't have to be big flashy things inappropriate for social dancing, only NEW. Just because it has non stop ganchos and volcadas etc doesn't make it nuevo in my book. I am still searching for that perfect nuevo clip - have not found it.
>It you called it by another name (e.g., just plain "NUEVO", drop the
>"TANGO") and stopped calling the gatherings where you dance this stuff
>"MILONGAS", that would at least be more honest..
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:25:53 -0500
From: Laurence Moseley <lgmoseley@aol.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I would feel better able to pass a judgement on the desirability or otherwise of this sort of teaching of volcadas or colgadas if the teacher were not only to teach the movement, but also to demonstrate it on a more crowded floor. We find that steps are relatively easy to teach (at least to those students who have mastered the basics of posture, balance, the collect, etc.). However, weaving those steps into a seamless dance also requires teaching. It is insufficient to say "here is how you do X, now get on with it". As usual, the process usually requires
A. Learning the move and communicating it to your partner
B. Dancing the move to a variety of music
C. Linking the move with your existing dancing and style
D. Doing all of that in a crowded room, without interfering with others
Thus, a teacher needs to teach the first skill, as in the video clip under discussion. However, for it to be learned and incorporated, the teacher should also teach the other three elements.
As usual it is not a question of A OR B. More commonly, it is a question of A AND B - and often AND C, D, E as well.
At least that is how it looks from here.
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:43:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
To: tango-l@mit.edu
--- Laurence Moseley <lgmoseley@aol.com> wrote:
......
>
> A. Learning the move and communicating it to your
> partner
> B. Dancing the move to a variety of music
> C. Linking the move with your existing dancing and
> style
> D. Doing all of that in a crowded room, without
> interfering with others
>
> Thus, a teacher needs to teach the first skill, as
> in the video clip under discussion. However, for it
> to be learned and incorporated, the teacher should
> also teach the other three elements.
>
.....
Excellent, constructive post! Thanks! It's very
refreshing.
When someone teaches a lot of moves, students do not
have to go out and use all the moves in a sequence out
on a crowded dance floor. Matter of fact, if someone
tries to use a sequence of big moves on a crowded
dance floor, don't blame the teacher! It may not have
been his intent for them to learn all of that and go
out onto a crowded dance floor and use it. However, I
have to agree. If that was the intention, the teacher
should use A-D, above.
There are a lot of moves in that video AND it is very
clear how he is using his body and how she is using
her body. Therefore, it is very informative.
He might be shuffling his feet, here and there, to
setup to show a move. Ok, give him a lower grade for
that. But, you have to admit that, when he
demonstrates each move, partners could watch the
video, discussing what they see within each move, and
try it at home without even being at the workshop!
Imagine actually being at the workshop!
It is very clear how he is using his body.
It is very clear where and when he is moving his
inside foot.
I am glad that someone went out and found this video!
I like soft tango. So, I can learn from the video and
soften it to my liking.
If someone likes doing big moves, they can use it for
that.
If someone is looking to discuss it in a constructive
way, there is something there for us, too.
If someone is looking for cases of abuse, I they can
really reach and create a whole thread about it.
It looks like we're all happy! We must all give
thanks for this video. ;o)
Would anyone care to go through the video and lavel
each of the moves along with the timestamp? That
would help a lot of people.
Thanks!
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:58:52 +0100
From: Andy Ungureanu <abungureanu@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
This is the best reason, why teachers don't like videotaping during
workshops. I am sure Metin would have not authorized the public
broadcasting of such "work in progress".
It is a tricky movement, that is funny, when it is ready and works
without effort. The way before it is ready is not funny. Can't you
remember how your first sacada looked like?
Andy
Am 26.01.2008 02:00 schrieb Igor Polk :
> Chris:
>
> Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
>>
>
>
> :)))))))))))))
> I am crying,
> What is the next number?
>
> Igor Polk
>
>
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:41:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
To: Andy Ungureanu <abungureanu@googlemail.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
then he should not teach.
--- Andy Ungureanu <abungureanu@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This is the best reason, why teachers don't like
> videotaping during
> workshops. I am sure Metin would have not authorized
> the public
> broadcasting of such "work in progress".
> It is a tricky movement, that is funny, when it is
> ready and works
> without effort. The way before it is ready is not
> funny. Can't you
> remember how your first sacada looked like?
> Andy
>
> Am 26.01.2008 02:00 schrieb Igor Polk :
> > Chris:
> >
> > Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid:
> >
> >>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
> >>
> >
> >
> > :)))))))))))))
> > I am crying,
> > What is the next number?
> >
> > Igor Polk
> >
> >
>
Be a better friend, newshound, and
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:03:10 EST
From: DocDAS@aol.com
Subject: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango Video
I agree with tangopeer below. 'Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. The
video is not beautiful but certainly educational. Abusive?? I really don't see
it. Metin has an aggressive personality and it pervades his teaching
style. If you want a soft fuzzy type of teacher, don't attend his workshops. It
would be great to ask the opinion of the woman in the video. I'm sure somebody
recognizes her or actually attended the workshop.
The demonstration on the video in a workshop environment is appropriate; in a
milonga ridiculous. I would describe what I saw on the video as
'aggressively playful.' To those folks who deplore the word aggression I understand all
the negative commentaries. I hope you will not respond with an 'aggressive
attack' on my opinion! I have feelings as well and even Metin possesses the
same! Smile and Relaxxxxxxxxx. It's not all that serious! Si o No?
Dan
In a message dated 1/25/2008 10:03:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_tangopeer@yahoo.com_ (mailto:tangopeer@yahoo.com) writes:
I see a woman having fun with her partner.
I see contribution. Good or or not so good? That's
subjective. But, I see contribution.
Look for the positive and you will learn to see the
contribution.
Many of us, out here, learn from watching new dancers,
bad dancers and dancers that don't dance like us.
I see contribution.
I see no abuse.
You see?
--- "Chris, UK" <_tl2@chrisjj.com_ (mailto:tl2@chrisjj.com) > wrote:
> > As the title makes clear, this is the summation of
> a workshop,
>
> The title does no such thing. And if you've
> experienced this teacher's
> classes, you'll know this stuff is unfortunately not
> confined to the end.
>
> Regardless, the ultimate summation of any workshop
> is its contribution to
> the students' development. What sort of contribution
> do you think is made
> by an hour spent copying a teacher abusing a girl?
>
> > I have danced with two of you critics.
>
> And I have danced with the teacher being criticised.
>
> --
> Chris
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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:44:09 +0100
From: desdelasnubes@web.de
Subject: [Tango-L] "Funniest Tango Video" certainly educational....
Dan wrote:
> The video is not beautiful but certainly educational. Abusive?? I really don't see
> it. Metin has an aggressive personality and it pervades his teaching
> style. If you want a soft fuzzy type of teacher, don't attend his workshops.
[...] I would describe what I saw on the video as
> 'aggressively playful.' To those folks who deplore the word aggression I understand all
> the negative commentaries. I hope you will not respond with an 'aggressive
> attack' on my opinion! I have feelings as well and even Metin possesses the
> same! Smile and Relaxxxxxxxxx.
Dear followers,
You enjoy to follow an aggressive lead?
You anxiously hail the fusion of tango with martial arts and kickboxing?
When dancing you welcome the opportunity to extend your leg
to proudly present your bruises like a decoration won in the battlefield?
Smile and Relaxxxxxxx.
You will find adequate partners to dance with.
Just pick the right workshops and attentively watch the dance floor.
It's all up to you! Make your choice ;)
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:26 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango Video
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
> [this teacher] has an aggressive personality and it pervades his
> teaching style. If you want a soft fuzzy type of teacher, don't attend
Good advice. For the the prospective student making that decision, videos
such as this can greatly reduce the frustration of researching the hard way.
Trini wrote:
> I've announced in workshops that I host that posting review demos online
> without permission from the instructors and myself is a big no-no.
I guess you use that veto only against your absolutely worst teachers...
I think YouTube could be the best thing to happen to class teaching in
years. Especially when teachers (good and bad) start showing video samples
on their own sites.
--
Chris
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:33:20 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango Video
For once, and this has got to be a first, I actually agree with Chris. I think it's great
that students can see video samples from teachers' classes before signing up. Many
Argentinians now travel the world teaching classes and it can be an expensive mistake
for a student to take a course of classes with a teacher who turns out to be unsuitable.
Many of my students ask if they can record the steps in my classes. I've never said
no - why should I? But then, I'm just a small potato who only teaches in his own school
and no one is going to put me on YouTube. But the principle is surely the same?
It's also nice to see that Chris finally acknowledges that there are good teachers, as
well as bad :-).
Keith, HK
On Thu Feb 7 19:26 , "Chris, UK" sent:
>I think YouTube could be the best thing to happen to class teaching in
>years. Especially when teachers (good and bad) start showing video samples
>on their own sites.
>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:51:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango Video
Videos can hide the truth in both directions. I've seen
videos where the person comes across much better than they
actually are. The best way to get information is to talk
with people and do the homework. This is what the smart
consumer should be doing.
--- "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
> I guess you use that veto only against your absolutely
> worst teachers...
I don't have bad teachers here. It's my job to make sure
they are good teachers, so I give them the info and
feedback they need to do the best job they can. Each
community or event has its own set of needs, learning
styles, etc. and the organizer is in charge of the whole
shebang. So the failure of a teacher could be greatly
influenced by the failure of organizer to do his/her job.
Three minutes of a video isn't going to reflect that and
could unfairly reflect the teacher.
But there's also a matter of respect. I think few people
truly understand how difficult it can be for traveling
instructors. They have to teach 20-50 strangers and
connect with them in the first 15 minutes. And if they're
not feeling well, they still work on. Christina Ladas was
not feeling well when she and Homer taught here last year.
She skipped the Saturday milonga so that she could still
teach the Sunday classes. She waited until Monday to
finally see the doctor, only to find out that her kidneys
were at 7% functionality. She wanted to be at the
workshops for the students - exactly like so many
instructors. They are simply incredibly giving.
I have enormous respect for the work visiting instructors
do. The traveling, the changing sleeping conditions,
inconsistent eating patterns, the unfamiliarity of a place
far from home. I remember how pleased one instructor was
when she discovered that we had the same coffee mugs that
she had at home. It gave her a little bit of home while
she was living out of suitcase for several months. When
they work, they give it their all. And they've earned the
right for their work to not be misused.
Trini de Pittsburgh
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