5517 metin video
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:23:11 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video
To: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
--- Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why do women put up with this..are they all masochists ??
> ...and then she smiles and laughs incredulously?? duh
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8jgnvrTxl4&feature=related
Mario,
The move Metin is demonstrating does look like fun when
done correctly. Check out this one with Pulpo & Luisa, in
which he does the move at about 2:26.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OplUFeukicY
There are those who complain that certain moves aren't done
at milongas or whatever. Maybe not, certainly not by those
not skilled enough to do it. Does that mean that it isn't
something that shouldn't be taught? No, because the
techniques you can learn with such moves can improve your
basic dancing if you approach it with that idea in mind.
The woman in the video didn't have the technique down, but
with practice she might one day. She obviously didn't feel
abused.
I've lot about moving more freely and with control by
learning such these type of moves. At a milonga, the
technique from these moves show in my dancing. But you're
likely not to see the moves themselves. My advice to you
as a newer dancer is not to cut yourself off from learning
opportunities, but do think for yourself and decide what
you want for your dance. Let others worry about their own.
Trini de Pittsburgh
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:15:55 +0100
From: desdelasnubes@web.de
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video
To: patangos@yahoo.com, sopelote@yahoo.com, tango-l@mit.edu
--- Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why do women put up with this..are they all masochists ??
> ...and then she smiles and laughs incredulously?? duh
>
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8jgnvrTxl4&feature=related
You can tell by her laughter that she is deeply embarassed.
"They" are not all masochists, "they" probably are too well educated
to react properly to this rudeness demonstrated in public.
It's sad to watch, so the title of thread "funniest video" is not appropriate at all.
No consideration shown for the follower, just exercising the will of the leader,
kicking her around like an object (poets on this list: maybe you should add football to
your list of dear metaphors) . And no music interfering in this lesson, either.
>Trini wrote:
>The move Metin is demonstrating does look like fun when
>done correctly. Check out this one with Pulpo & Luisa, in
>which he does the move at about 2:26.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OplUFeukicY
It is definitely not a question of technique done correctly or skilled enough.
It is a question of paying respect to the person you are dancing with.
>The woman in the video didn't have the technique down, but
>with practice she might one day. She obviously didn't feel
>abused.
It makes me feel sad to read this, Trini, written by a woman:
"the woman in the video didn't have the technique down,
but with practice she might one day".
IMHO the best practice is to learn to step out if this kind of practice.
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:13:42 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I suspect that Metin's video looks so bad because he didn't have a
professional partner for the class and had to use one of the students.
If you're teaching complicated or difficult figures, that always makes
it difficult for a visiting teacher. Btw, Pulpo will be here in February,
but without Luisa. I wonder how he'll look if he demontrates similar
figures with one of the students.
Another btw - does anyone think the Tango rock'n'roll video of Pulpo
and Luisa looks even remotely like Tango? It might be fun, but is it
Tango? And, if so, why? What makes it Tango? I don't knoe the
answer - I'm just asking what others think.
Keith, HK
On Sun Jan 27 1:23 , "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" sent:
>The move Metin is demonstrating does look like fun when
>done correctly. Check out this one with Pulpo & Luisa, in
>which he does the move at about 2:26.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v=OplUFeukicY
>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:29:55 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Keith:
During his first visit here, Pulpo demo'd his trademark
moves (not the two-foot walking thing in the video, though)
with an intermediate dancer who had never danced/studied
with him before. She looked great. Pulpo has such good
technique and understanding of mechanics, I'm sure the
workshops will go well. I don't think anyone else can do
what he does as well, but what he teaches in workshops to
achieve what he does is definitely worth going to in my
book for both men and women, regardless of what style you
dance.
Anna:
> You can tell by her laughter that she is deeply
> embarassed.
"Whoo!" Doesn't not sound like embarassment to me. She also
continued to try the move. As someone who often partners
visiting instructors for workshops, I sometimes need to
learn new moves on the fly and sometimes I screw up. I
know what a negative screw up feels like. Her's was a
positive screw up ("cool! let's try that again!").
To me, it would have been worse if Metin simply "gave up"
on her. But he kept adjusting until she got the move. Not
gracefully, perhaps. But she'll remember "I got it!", not
"I must really suck". Granted, Metin probably shouldn't
have tried it in the first place with an inexperienced
follower. I'm guessing from the title that the review took
place at the end of day, possibly by the end of the
weekend. By that time, everyone is usually tired and is
ready to start goofing off.
> It makes me feel sad to read this, Trini, written by a
> woman:
> "the woman in the video didn't have the technique down,
> but with practice she might one day".
What the woman lacked was getting back onto her own axis
and loose legs. Basic enough, right? Lots of women think
they have "mastered" certain skills, but it's not until
they've tried something really difficult that they realize
they have more work to do.
The issue of the video being posted worldwide is something
else. I've announced in workshops that I host that posting
review demos online without permission from the instructors
and myself is a big no-no. Fortunately, it's not something
I really need to worry about here.
Trini de Pittsburgh
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:05:00 -0800
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
C'mon, look at life on the brighter side,
Metin himself should be less serious, and that would make an excellent
number !
This improvisation would be impossible to reproduce, nor equally difficult
to choreograph.
Igor Polk
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:38:28 -0800
From: Megan Pingree <meganpingree@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: "Trini y Sean \(PATangoS\)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
> Mario wrote: Why do women put up with this..are they all
> masochists ??
> ...and then she smiles and laughs incredulously?? duh
>
First, I want to say that I do not know the student in this video, so
I do not know what she is thinking or feeling. I simply see her
behavior and, then of course, interpret it it thru the lens of my own
experience. I too have often assisted visiting teachers (Metin
included), sometimes for the entire series of workshops, sometimes
for just some demo at the end of a class. It might be helpful if the
actual student in this video responded to the List. But we are
getting plenty of good discussion just by projecting our own stuff
onto her :-)
Let us not forget the student: teacher relationship here. I am going
to suggest below some of the dynamics that may (or may not) be at work.
* Even if the teacher is not being respectful of the student's wish
to do well and look good in front of the class (and cameras), she is
often respectful of the teacher's wish for the same. He is a guest
in her city. She does not wish to discomfort or inconvenience him by
walking off or challenging his lead or teaching technique.
*He is a "hotshot"; she knows or believes it's probably her "fault"
anyway.
* She tries to make the best of it to cover her own discomfort; she's
trying to be a good sport.
* She feels honored that he chose her, and fearful that she won't be
able to get it.
* Hmmmmm, What else? She just spent a bunch of time and money
trying to improve her tango, and is therefore invested in putting as
good a spin on it as she can.
On Jan 27, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote:
>
> To me, it would have been worse if Metin simply "gave up"
> on her.
I agree. I have seen this done by a particular hotshot more than
once. The students told me that they felt deeply humiliated,
mortified, and angry.
(Hoping that the text wrap thing works right), Megan
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:59:05 -0800
From: ELEMER DUBROVAY <elemer_7@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
I don't think is tango.
The music is not tango, the dancing is not tango. (Is tango only because he says so).
Elemer in Redmond.....................
> From: keith@tangohk.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:13:42 -0500> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video> > I suspect that Metin's video looks so bad because he didn't have a > professional partner for the class and had to use one of the students.> If you're teaching complicated or difficult figures, that always makes > it difficult for a visiting teacher. Btw, Pulpo will be here in February, > but without Luisa. I wonder how he'll look if he demontrates similar > figures with one of the students.> > Another btw - does anyone think the Tango rock'n'roll video of Pulpo > and Luisa looks even remotely like Tango? It might be fun, but is it > Tango? And, if so, why? What makes it Tango? I don't knoe the> answer - I'm just asking what others think.> > Keith, HK> > > > > > > On Sun Jan 27 1:23 , "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" sent:> > >The move Metin is demonstrating does look like fun when> >done correctly. Check out this one with Pulpo & Luisa, in> >which he does th!
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