4039 Ignorance or deliberate misuse of this list?
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:17:27 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Ignorance or deliberate misuse of this list?
Dear Aron:
Tangompa.com is cool. Thanks.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 Cell
--- Aron ECSEDY <aron@MILONGA.HU> wrote:
> Come on guys... It is not like they were killing
> anyone...
>
> I suggest we change the subject.
>
> Have you seen tangomap.com ?
>
> It is a list of milonga venues for the entire world
> based on GoogleMap,
> however most data is for Europe at this moment. Only
> a few items are entered
> in the US and other parts of the world. I think it
> would be very handy if
> more organizers would enter their data there (it is
> connected with the
> www.tango.info database and new items can be entered
> at data.tango.info)
>
> [I am not affiliated with the site]
>
> Cheers,
> Aron
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine
> Tango
> > [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Christopher L. Everett
> > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:29 AM
> > To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Ignorance or deliberate
> misuse of this list?
> >
> > Lucille Krasne wrote:
> >
> > >Are these inappropriate postings willful abuse or
> forgivable
> > absolute
> > >ignorance by the clueless that there are almost
> always
> > discussions on
> > >this list---but for the few abusers---and that
> there is a
> > Tango A list
> > >for announcements and the Tango L is not for
> announcements
> > and promotions?
> > >
> > >If it is selfish, willful abuse, I'd suggest a
> boycott of
> > the events
> > >by those in a position to attend, or not buy
> whatever someone is
> > >attempting to sell through this list.
> > >
> > >
> > We can also netcop them (report them as spammer to
> their ISPs).
> >
> > Not every ISP will respond, but when they do, it
> can be a
> > real nightmare to deal with.
> >
>
>
> Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> Tango-A rather than to
> Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> subscribe to Tango-A,
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
>
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:29:02 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Ignorance or deliberate misuse of this list?
Dear Manuel:
I agree with you. A calendar database is important,
but "the devil is in the details" behind an event.
That is why Tango-L is a good thing.
That is also why I am doing the
https://www.tangoworldwide.com
model, which allows dancers to post to a calendar,
their personal impressions (videos, audios, maps
comments, discussons, magazine articles etc.,) of a
tango event directly from the scene of the crime
...lol. to a worldwide database like we do
here on Tango-L, but with more options. My
web site and tangomaps.com supports Tango-L and adds
to the information available to dancers. Both have
their advantages and disadvantages, as does Tango-L.
I believe that a comprehensive feedback directly from
the consumer-dancer is perhaps the most reliable
information. The problem is however, that the
consumer-dancers are a bit lazy, but the teachers are
very energetic, so we shall see what happens...lol..
I also agree with Aron. Argentine Tango is social.
People on Tango-L should try not to be a critic
without adding some content of their own for
discussion.
I personally think it is OK to be a bit commercial on
Tango-L, if one is mostly providing other valuable
information as well, like Aron just did. That is
called PR (public relations). I do not think it is OK
to post an advertisement on Tango-L, without any other
beneficial content or discussion. That should be
reserved for Tango-A.
Anyway, this is my personal opinion. Thank you.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 Cell
--- WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Thanks for the good information Aron. Now, i wonder
> where the central
> clearing house for the D8CB w/backstep discussion
> is..... Oh yeah, I'd also
> like to know where the world's compilation of pro
> and con arguments about
> close vs. open embrace, LOD discussions and the
> evils of show-off dancers in
> the milonga dance floors :-)
>
>
> Manuel
>
> visit our webpage
> www.tango-rio.com
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:02:38 -0800
From: Michael at Tango Bellingham <michaele@TANGOBELLINGHAM.COM>
Subject: Re: Ignorance or deliberate misuse of this list?
Derik Rawson wrote:
>
> I personally think it is OK to be a bit commercial on
> Tango-L, if one is mostly providing other valuable
> information as well, like Aron just did. That is
> called PR (public relations). I do not think it is OK
> to post an advertisement on Tango-L, without any other
> beneficial content or discussion. That should be
> reserved for Tango-A.
>
Translation: "infomercials" are ok, i.e., Marina Palmer's buddies
astroturfing her book, double-posting to TANGO-A and TANGO-L,
testimonials or posts designed to generate traffic to another website
advertising whatever (hi Ernest W., hi Jak!), etc. In other words,
Ladies and gentleman, the TANGO-L marketplace is officially open for
business!
Y'all have fun - let me know when they start selling bootleg OEM
software and Viagra here.
Michael
Tango Bellingham
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:30 -0500
From: Tanguero Chino <tanguerochino@NETSCAPE.NET>
Subject: Re: Ignorance or deliberate misuse of this list?
Hola Listeros,
I received a private reply to my request of "Where to Tango in Paris",
saying that I should have posted it to Tango-A.
I had actually given some thought to which list to post to. I decided
to post to Tango-L because I felt that this kind of messages are:
1 - NOT commercial in nature
2 - There are others on Tango-L who may be interested
I, for one, read many of the responses to "Where to Tango" type requests
with great interest, and dream of the day when I will be going to the
same destination. Obvious exceptions are replies from organizers
to say "come to my milonga". Replies of this nature should be private
and not sent to the list.
Some listeros post their tango/travel logs. I feel that responses to
"Where to Tango" falls in the same cataglory of posts. They reflect
one person's opinions or experiences at certain milongas he or she
attended. These are definitely more interesting to read than the
endless discussions on style that I've seen over the years.
Now, let me put my flame shield on... LOL
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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:28:18 -0500
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ignorance or deliberate misuse of this list?
Don't worry about the flame throwers. They might just be bored with the lack
of "lively discussion" about other topics ;-) Anyway, I strongly disagree
with the private message you received and here is why:
First, this is a forum to discuss all topics relating to tango and
discussing or asking questions about venues or locations is perfectly within
the allowable topics. Certainly much more useful and informative than some
silly diatribe against a particular way to hold your partner or a boring
explication of the back ocho. I think this rigidity of thought and orthodox
interpretation of some fairly vague guidelines smacks of censorship.
Second, the tango-a has a much smaller number of subscribers so your
question will go to far fewer people. The person who might have the best and
most useful answer for you might not even read the tango-A. If you really
want helpful advise, it would be best to reach the greatest number of people
with your questions.
Third, removing the "commercial" aspects of some posts is like splitting
hairs... How do you praise or support a particular teacher or a particular
event without it being a de facto promotion? If one promotes or lavishly
praises a particular tango teacher, organizer, DJ or event, the organizer,
teacher, etc. will receive more support, attendance and thusly, financial
rewards... Is this so bad?
I say the tango-L is precisely for these types of discussions, questions and
comments. You have my complete approval to ask anything you want about tango
in the tango-L.... Of course, you might not like the answers ;-).......
Free flow of information to all,
Manuel
>From: Tanguero Chino <tanguerochino@NETSCAPE.NET>
>Reply-To: Tanguero Chino <tanguerochino@NETSCAPE.NET>
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Ignorance or deliberate misuse of this list?
>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:30 -0500
>
>Hola Listeros,
>
>I received a private reply to my request of "Where to Tango in Paris",
>saying that I should have posted it to Tango-A.
>
>I had actually given some thought to which list to post to. I decided
>to post to Tango-L because I felt that this kind of messages are:
>
>1 - NOT commercial in nature
>2 - There are others on Tango-L who may be interested
>
>I, for one, read many of the responses to "Where to Tango" type requests
>with great interest, and dream of the day when I will be going to the
>same destination. Obvious exceptions are replies from organizers
>to say "come to my milonga". Replies of this nature should be private
>and not sent to the list.
>
>Some listeros post their tango/travel logs. I feel that responses to
>"Where to Tango" falls in the same cataglory of posts. They reflect
>one person's opinions or experiences at certain milongas he or she
>attended. These are definitely more interesting to read than the
>endless discussions on style that I've seen over the years.
>
>Now, let me put my flame shield on... LOL
>
>
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