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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! To: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>, d.rawson@rawsonweb.com, "Trini y Cc: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> Dear Michael: Why does it not surprise me that you have never heard of the expression. "I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like a bandondeon."" This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking about. Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80 percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I have never experienced "close embrace all the time". I have! Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know when she wants some space to express herself. Of course to do this, she would have to know how to dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close embrace all the time" followers, who have not really learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no ideas for open, so they have to avoid it. Doing one thing all the time is way too much. Variety is the spice of life. PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all the time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music the DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and cutsie stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home, then the music then changes again and becomes more lively. I guess I just get tired of all the predictability, the cutsie same old repetitious choreography. and the "gee, look how cute we are" mentality....and the constant recruitment of inexperienced teachers and students to teach this boring stuff. I like to see more real energy on the dance floor. where people really know how to navigate the floor in complex patterns, follow the changes in the music, and "move" instead of just going through the motions. My opinion. Other than that, have a beautiful day in Washington. Weather here is beautiful too, and I am going to enjoy it as well. Happy Spring. Derik d.rawson@rawsonweb.com --- Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> wrote: > Derek: > I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is only > exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace. > Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that? > The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight. > If they aren't in contact (facing the correct > direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance open > would break the circuit between the batteries. I > don't want to break the circuit with my partner. > > I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like > a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes > like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can > also feel her heart pounding. I may have to slightly > adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room for > a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from > close to open. If couples have to go to open for a > figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not > appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not > both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close > because their stiff arms prevents them from getting > close. > > Thank goodness it's a beautiful spring day in > Washington and I'm going out to enjoy it instead of > reading Derek's posts. > > Michael Ditkoff > Washington, DC > I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango > > Looking forward to my next trip to NY to dance with > N. and O. I thought I knew close embrace. These > women dance closer embrace. > Derek unfortunately wrote: > I do front ochos all the in variations of close > and open embrace. As you have heard it said many > times, "The embrace > opens and closes like a bandondeon." My point is > to vary the embrace. You should know how to be > connected > with your partner, no matter what. Keeping the > embrace closed all the time is like > keeping the bandondeon closed all the > time...ridiculous! My view is that the inexperience > and lack of understanding probably falls more on > the side of the people who do close embrace all the > time, > and their teachers who purposely eliminate > teaching the front ocho entirely....like Tine. Give > me a > break....lol. > > Derik Rawson d.rawson@rawsonweb.com https://www.rawsonweb.com 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu rawsonweb@yahoo.com Europe/Asia rawsonweb@compuserve.com Paris, France Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:16:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Zoltan Hidvegi <tango-l@hzoli.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! To: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com Cc: tango-l@mit.edu Derik Rawson wrote: > PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all the > time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music the > DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and cutsie > stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home, > then the music then changes again and becomes more > lively. Derik, you've made me curious. Could you please give us some examples of the boring close-embrace music you do not like vs. the lively music you prefer? Give us titles and orchestras, or mp3 samples if you prefer. -Zoltan Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:35:33 +0100 (BST) From: Club~TangoLa Dolce Vita~ <dani@tango-la-dolce-vita.eu> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! Derik, I don't know how to tell you this except straight, and don't take it the wrong way but... You're mad... Mad!...MAd!!... MAD!!! ... MAAAD, I tell you! Dani Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Michael: Why does it not surprise me that you have never heard of the expression. "I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like a bandondeon."" This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking about. Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80 percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I have never experienced "close embrace all the time". I have! Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know when she wants some space to express herself. Of course to do this, she would have to know how to dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close embrace all the time" followers, who have not really learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no ideas for open, so they have to avoid it. Doing one thing all the time is way too much. Variety is the spice of life. PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all the time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music the DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and cutsie stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home, then the music then changes again and becomes more lively. I guess I just get tired of all the predictability, the cutsie same old repetitious choreography. and the "gee, look how cute we are" mentality....and the constant recruitment of inexperienced teachers and students to teach this boring stuff. I like to see more real energy on the dance floor. where people really know how to navigate the floor in complex patterns, follow the changes in the music, and "move" instead of just going through the motions. My opinion. Other than that, have a beautiful day in Washington. Weather here is beautiful too, and I am going to enjoy it as well. Happy Spring. Derik d.rawson@rawsonweb.com --- Michael wrote: > Derek: > I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is only > exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace. > Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that? > The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight. > If they aren't in contact (facing the correct > direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance open > would break the circuit between the batteries. I > don't want to break the circuit with my partner. > > I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like > a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes > like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can > also feel her heart pounding. I may have to slightly > adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room for > a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from > close to open. If couples have to go to open for a > figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not > appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not > both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close > because their stiff arms prevents them from getting > close. > > Thank goodness it's a beautiful spring day in > Washington and I'm going out to enjoy it instead of > reading Derek's posts. > > Michael Ditkoff > Washington, DC > I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango > > Looking forward to my next trip to NY to dance with > N. and O. I thought I knew close embrace. These > women dance closer embrace. > Derek unfortunately wrote: > I do front ochos all the in variations of close > and open embrace. As you have heard it said many > times, "The embrace > opens and closes like a bandondeon." My point is > to vary the embrace. You should know how to be > connected > with your partner, no matter what. Keeping the > embrace closed all the time is like > keeping the bandondeon closed all the > time...ridiculous! My view is that the inexperience > and lack of understanding probably falls more on > the side of the people who do close embrace all the > time, > and their teachers who purposely eliminate > teaching the front ocho entirely....like Tine. Give > me a > break....lol. > > Derik Rawson d.rawson@rawsonweb.com https://www.rawsonweb.com 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu rawsonweb@yahoo.com Europe/Asia rawsonweb@compuserve.com Paris, France Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! To: tango-l@mit.edu I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik call them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, same old, boring, BS. This is just the words from this email. You let him do this not just once, but over and over again. For years! Incredible. Mind-boggling! That's another idiot from Texas that you let walk all over you. At least the other one, you elected him, and you know he's not going to be there forever. Don't any of you have any blls on you? (well a few of you do) What's the matter with you? You must all be confusing freedom of speech with the right to be insulted. If people have nothing interesting to contribute, they should not have privileged access to 1200 inboxes. Is this Derik's list, or everybody's list. Tine Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Michael: Why does it not surprise me that you have never heard of the expression. "I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like a bandondeon."" This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking about. Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80 percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I have never experienced "close embrace all the time". I have! Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know when she wants some space to express herself. Of course to do this, she would have to know how to dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close embrace all the time" followers, who have not really learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no ideas for open, so they have to avoid it. Doing one thing all the time is way too much. Variety is the spice of life. PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all the time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music the DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and cutsie stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home, then the music then changes again and becomes more lively. I guess I just get tired of all the predictability, the cutsie same old repetitious choreography. and the "gee, look how cute we are" mentality....and the constant recruitment of inexperienced teachers and students to teach this boring stuff. I like to see more real energy on the dance floor. where people really know how to navigate the floor in complex patterns, follow the changes in the music, and "move" instead of just going through the motions. My opinion. Other than that, have a beautiful day in Washington. Weather here is beautiful too, and I am going to enjoy it as well. Happy Spring. Derik d.rawson@rawsonweb.com --- Michael wrote: > Derek: > I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is only > exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace. > Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that? > The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight. > If they aren't in contact (facing the correct > direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance open > would break the circuit between the batteries. I > don't want to break the circuit with my partner. > > I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like > a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes > like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can > also feel her heart pounding. I may have to slightly > adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room for > a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from > close to open. If couples have to go to open for a > figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not > appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not > both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close > because their stiff arms prevents them from getting > close. > > Thank goodness it's a beautiful spring day in > Washington and I'm going out to enjoy it instead of > reading Derek's posts. > > Michael Ditkoff > Washington, DC > I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango > > Looking forward to my next trip to NY to dance with > N. and O. I thought I knew close embrace. These > women dance closer embrace. > Derek unfortunately wrote: > I do front ochos all the in variations of close > and open embrace. As you have heard it said many > times, "The embrace > opens and closes like a bandondeon." My point is > to vary the embrace. You should know how to be > connected > with your partner, no matter what. Keeping the > embrace closed all the time is like > keeping the bandondeon closed all the > time...ridiculous! My view is that the inexperience > and lack of understanding probably falls more on > the side of the people who do close embrace all the > time, > and their teachers who purposely eliminate > teaching the front ocho entirely....like Tine. Give > me a > break....lol. > > Derik Rawson d.rawson@rawsonweb.com https://www.rawsonweb.com 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu rawsonweb@yahoo.com Europe/Asia rawsonweb@compuserve.com Paris, France ************************ www.yaletangoclub.org Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:32:35 -0500 From: "Ron Weigel" <tango.society@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! To: YaleTangoClub@yahoo.com Cc: tango-l@mit.edu <cff24c340604301632u4181ab71idbcf2b6e1f064e0a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/30/06, Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik call them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, same old, boring, BS. This is just the words from this email. You let him do this not just once, but over and over again. For years! Incredible. Mind-boggling! If people don't respond to outrageous inflammatory e-mail, maybe it's because the responses just fuel more of the same. The best thing to do is to ignore this kind of posting. We don't really want to reinforce it. If no one responds to it, he will just be talking to himself. He might start talking louder initially to get attention, but maybe eventually he'll just go away. We can always click on 'delete' when we see his name. Ron Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! To: YaleTangoClub@yahoo.com, tango-l@mit.edu Dear Tine: So now you too have appointed yourself the spokesperson and Representative for all 1200 people on this list. Your buddy, Michael Figart did that already, twice..lol. When are you "close embrace all the time" people going to leave everybody alone and just let them dance the way they want to without trying to teach them your stuff and turn them into tango robots. I am so tired of all this "parental control" and ignorance. You guys need to learn instead of teach. My opinion. Derik d.rawson@rawsonwb.com --- Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let > this idiot Derik call them ignorant, incompetent, > dull, predictable, inexperienced, same old, boring, > BS. This is just the words from this email. You let > him do this not just once, but over and over again. > For years! Incredible. Mind-boggling! > > That's another idiot from Texas that you let walk > all over you. At least the other one, you elected > him, and you know he's not going to be there > forever. > > Don't any of you have any blls on you? (well a > few of you do) What's the matter with you? > > You must all be confusing freedom of speech with > the right to be insulted. If people have nothing > interesting to contribute, they should not have > privileged access to 1200 inboxes. Is this Derik's > list, or everybody's list. > > Tine > > > > > Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear Michael: > > Why does it not surprise me that you have never > heard > of the expression. > > "I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like > a bandondeon."" > > This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking > about. > Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80 > percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I > have never experienced "close embrace all the time". > > I have! > > Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know > when she wants some space to express herself. Of > course to do this, she would have to know how to > dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close > embrace all the time" followers, who have not really > learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no > ideas for open, so they have to avoid it. > > Doing one thing all the time is way too much. > Variety > is the spice of life. > > PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all > the > time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music > the > DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and > cutsie > stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home, > then the music then changes again and becomes more > lively. > > I guess I just get tired of all the predictability, > the cutsie same old repetitious choreography. and > the > "gee, look how cute we are" mentality....and the > constant recruitment of inexperienced teachers and > students to teach this boring stuff. > > I like to see more real energy on the dance floor. > where people really know how to navigate the floor > in > complex patterns, follow the changes in the music, > and > "move" instead of just going through the motions. My > opinion. > > Other than that, have a beautiful day in Washington. > > Weather here is beautiful too, and I am going to > enjoy > it as well. Happy Spring. > > Derik > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com > > > --- Michael wrote: > > > Derek: > > I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is > only > > exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace. > > Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that? > > The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight. > > If they aren't in contact (facing the correct > > direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance > open > > would break the circuit between the batteries. I > > don't want to break the circuit with my partner. > > > > I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes > like > > a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes > > like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can > > also feel her heart pounding. I may have to > slightly > > adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room > for > > a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from > > close to open. If couples have to go to open for a > > figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not > > appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not > > both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close > > because their stiff arms prevents them from > getting > > close. > > > > Thank goodness it's a beautiful spring day in > > Washington and I'm going out to enjoy it instead > of > > reading Derek's posts. > > > > Michael Ditkoff > > Washington, DC > > I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango > > > > Looking forward to my next trip to NY to dance > with > > N. and O. I thought I knew close embrace. These > > women dance closer embrace. > > Derek unfortunately wrote: > > I do front ochos all the in variations of close > > and open embrace. As you have heard it said many > > times, "The embrace > > opens and closes like a bandondeon." My point is > > to vary the embrace. You should know how to be > > connected > > with your partner, no matter what. Keeping the > > embrace closed all the time is like > > keeping the bandondeon closed all the > > time...ridiculous! My view is that the > inexperience > > and lack of understanding probably falls more on > > the side of the people who do close embrace all > the > > time, > > and their teachers who purposely eliminate > > teaching the front ocho entirely....like Tine. > Give > > me a > > break....lol. > > > > > > > Derik Rawson > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com > https://www.rawsonweb.com > 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell > Phone > 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax > d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu > d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu > rawsonweb@yahoo.com > Europe/Asia > rawsonweb@compuserve.com > Paris, France > > > > > protection around > > > > *********************** > www.yaletangoclub.org > > > > > Derik Rawson d.rawson@rawsonweb.com https://www.rawsonweb.com 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu rawsonweb@yahoo.com Europe/Asia rawsonweb@compuserve.com Paris, France Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:08:52 -0400 From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik Cc: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> Derik: I surmise that YOUR teacher(s) did you a disservice. You mistakenly think an embrace has to be broken for a woman to express herself. Not only do you show a poor understanding of leading, you also show NO understanding of following!! Name some figures that can't be done in close embrace. Give me some facts instead of your opinions masquerading as facts. Just because YOU don't know how to lead figures in close embrace doesn't mean they can't be done in close embrace. You're NOT the gold standard of close embrace. The women I dance with are quite capable of expressing themselves in close embrace. If a woman wants space, it might not be because she wants to express herself. Maybe she just wants to GET AWAY FROM YOU!! Since you are mathematically challenged, 60 to 80 percent is not all the time. Michael Ditkoff Washington, DC Suffering from allergies and Derik Wish there was a pill for Derik. Sudafed won't work. I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango ----- Original Message ----- From: Derik Rawson To: Michael ; d.rawson@rawsonweb.com ; Trini y Sean (PATangoS) ; Tango-L Cc: Michael Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik,a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! Dear Michael: Why does it not surprise me that you have never heard of the expression. "I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like a bandondeon."" This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking about. Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80 percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I have never experienced "close embrace all the time". I have! Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know when she wants some space to express herself. Of course to do this, she would have to know how to dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close embrace all the time" followers, who have not really learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no ideas for open, so they have to avoid it. Doing one thing all the time is way too much. Variety is the spice of life. Derik d.rawson@rawsonweb.com --- Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net> wrote: > Derek: > I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is only > exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace. > Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that? > The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight. > If they aren't in contact (facing the correct > direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance open > would break the circuit between the batteries. I > don't want to break the circuit with my partner. > > I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like > a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes > like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can > also feel her heart pounding. I may have to slightly > adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room for > a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from > close to open. If couples have to go to open for a > figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not > appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not > both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close > because their stiff arms prevents them from getting > close. > Michael Ditkoff Washington, DC I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:40:41 +0100 (BST) From: Club~TangoLa Dolce Vita~ <dani@tango-la-dolce-vita.eu> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! To: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com, YaleTangoClub@yahoo.com, tango-l@mit.edu Hey, leave Tine alone!!! She's my kind of woman (and I don't even know what she looks like! :-)). She speaks the truth. It's YOU Derik who speaks with forked tongue. She can represent my thoughts anytime. The same goes for Figgy... he's also ok in my book. Cheers, Dani Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Tine: So now you too have appointed yourself the spokesperson and Representative for all 1200 people on this list. Your buddy, Michael Figart did that already, twice..lol. When are you "close embrace all the time" people going to leave everybody alone and just let them dance the way they want to without trying to teach them your stuff and turn them into tango robots. I am so tired of all this "parental control" and ignorance. You guys need to learn instead of teach. My opinion. Derik d.rawson@rawsonwb.com --- Yale Tango Club wrote: > I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let > this idiot Derik call them ignorant, incompetent, > dull, predictable, inexperienced, same old, boring, > BS. This is just the words from this email. You let > him do this not just once, but over and over again. > For years! Incredible. Mind-boggling! > > That's another idiot from Texas that you let walk > all over you. At least the other one, you elected > him, and you know he's not going to be there > forever. > > Don't any of you have any blls on you? (well a > few of you do) What's the matter with you? > > You must all be confusing freedom of speech with > the right to be insulted. If people have nothing > interesting to contribute, they should not have > privileged access to 1200 inboxes. Is this Derik's > list, or everybody's list. > > Tine > > > > > Derik Rawson wrote: > Dear Michael: > > Why does it not surprise me that you have never > heard > of the expression. > > "I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like > a bandondeon."" > > This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking > about. > Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80 > percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I > have never experienced "close embrace all the time". > > I have! > > Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know > when she wants some space to express herself. Of > course to do this, she would have to know how to > dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close > embrace all the time" followers, who have not really > learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no > ideas for open, so they have to avoid it. > > Doing one thing all the time is way too much. > Variety > is the spice of life. > > PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all > the > time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music > the > DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and > cutsie > stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home, > then the music then changes again and becomes more > lively. > > I guess I just get tired of all the predictability, > the cutsie same old repetitious choreography. and > the > "gee, look how cute we are" mentality....and the > constant recruitment of inexperienced teachers and > students to teach this boring stuff. > > I like to see more real energy on the dance floor. > where people really know how to navigate the floor > in > complex patterns, follow the changes in the music, > and > "move" instead of just going through the motions. My > opinion. > > Other than that, have a beautiful day in Washington. > > Weather here is beautiful too, and I am going to > enjoy > it as well. Happy Spring. > > Derik > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com > > > --- Michael wrote: > > > Derek: > > I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is > only > > exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace. > > Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that? > > The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight. > > If they aren't in contact (facing the correct > > direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance > open > > would break the circuit between the batteries. I > > don't want to break the circuit with my partner. > > > > I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes > like > > a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes > > like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can > > also feel her heart pounding. I may have to > slightly > > adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room > for > > a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from > > close to open. If couples have to go to open for a > > figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not > > appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not > > both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close > > because their stiff arms prevents them from > getting > > close. > > > > Thank goodness it's a beautiful spring day in > > Washington and I'm going out to enjoy it instead > of > > reading Derek's posts. > > > > Michael Ditkoff > > Washington, DC > > I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango > > > > Looking forward to my next trip to NY to dance > with > > N. and O. I thought I knew close embrace. These > > women dance closer embrace. > > Derek unfortunately wrote: > > I do front ochos all the in variations of close > > and open embrace. As you have heard it said many > > times, "The embrace > > opens and closes like a bandondeon." My point is > > to vary the embrace. You should know how to be > > connected > > with your partner, no matter what. Keeping the > > embrace closed all the time is like > > keeping the bandondeon closed all the > > time...ridiculous! My view is that the > inexperience > > and lack of understanding probably falls more on > > the side of the people who do close embrace all > the > > time, > > and their teachers who purposely eliminate > > teaching the front ocho entirely....like Tine. > Give > > me a > > break....lol. > > > > > > > Derik Rawson > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com > https://www.rawsonweb.com > 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell > Phone > 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax > d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu > d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu > rawsonweb@yahoo.com > Europe/Asia > rawsonweb@compuserve.com > Paris, France > > > > > protection around > > > > ************************ > www.yaletangoclub.org > > > > > Derik Rawson d.rawson@rawsonweb.com https://www.rawsonweb.com 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu rawsonweb@yahoo.com Europe/Asia rawsonweb@compuserve.com Paris, France Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:45 +0100 (BST) From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer wh Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com Tine wrote: > I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik > call them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, > same old, boring, BS. This is just the words from this email. Tine, you should be ashamed of yourself. That's a wicked misrepresentation of Derik's email. "The music the DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable ... rather dull" is not calling anyone predictable or dull, let alone '1200 people on this list'. In fact his email contains not a single example of the name-calling you claim. I hope you have the good grace to apologise to Derik and this list as a whole. Chris -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@yahoo.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT) I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik call them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, same old, boring, BS. This is just the words from this email. You let him do this not just once, but over and over again. For years! Incredible. Mind-boggling! That's another idiot from Texas that you let walk all over you. At least the other one, you elected him, and you know he's not going to be there forever. Don't any of you have any blls on you? (well a few of you do) What's the matter with you? You must all be confusing freedom of speech with the right to be insulted. If people have nothing interesting to contribute, they should not have privileged access to 1200 inboxes. Is this Derik's list, or everybody's list. Tine Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Michael: Why does it not surprise me that you have never heard of the expression. "I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like a bandondeon."" This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking about. Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80 percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I have never experienced "close embrace all the time". I have! Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know when she wants some space to express herself. Of course to do this, she would have to know how to dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close embrace all the time" followers, who have not really learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no ideas for open, so they have to avoid it. Doing one thing all the time is way too much. Variety is the spice of life. PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all the time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music the DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and cutsie stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home, then the music then changes again and becomes more lively. I guess I just get tired of all the predictability, the cutsie same old repetitious choreography. and the "gee, look how cute we are" mentality....and the constant recruitment of inexperienced teachers and students to teach this boring stuff. I like to see more real energy on the dance floor. where people really know how to navigate the floor in complex patterns, follow the changes in the music, and "move" instead of just going through the motions. My opinion. Other than that, have a beautiful day in Washington. Weather here is beautiful too, and I am going to enjoy it as well. Happy Spring. Derik d.rawson@rawsonweb.com --- Michael wrote: > Derek: > I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is only > exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace. > Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that? > The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight. > If they aren't in contact (facing the correct > direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance open > would break the circuit between the batteries. I > don't want to break the circuit with my partner. > > I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like > a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes > like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can > also feel her heart pounding. I may have to slightly > adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room for > a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from > close to open. If couples have to go to open for a > figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not > appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not > both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close > because their stiff arms prevents them from getting > close. > > Thank goodness it's a beautiful spring day in > Washington and I'm going out to enjoy it instead of > reading Derek's posts. > > Michael Ditkoff > Washington, DC > I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango > > Looking forward to my next trip to NY to dance with > N. and O. I thought I knew close embrace. These > women dance closer embrace. > Derek unfortunately wrote: > I do front ochos all the in variations of close > and open embrace. As you have heard it said many > times, "The embrace > opens and closes like a bandondeon." My point is > to vary the embrace. You should know how to be > connected > with your partner, no matter what. Keeping the > embrace closed all the time is like > keeping the bandondeon closed all the > time...ridiculous! My view is that the inexperience > and lack of understanding probably falls more on > the side of the people who do close embrace all the > time, > and their teachers who purposely eliminate > teaching the front ocho entirely....like Tine. Give > me a > break....lol. > > Derik Rawson d.rawson@rawsonweb.com https://www.rawsonweb.com 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu rawsonweb@yahoo.com Europe/Asia rawsonweb@compuserve.com Paris, France *********************** www.yaletangoclub.org Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:03:32 -0400 From: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com> Subject: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who kn To: tango-l@mit.edu Hello Derik, been following the discussion for some time. What does it matter to you if a couple chooses to use diagonal embrace? I've seen some examples of that in Montreal too, especially in crowded milongas being held in small spaces, it's a way to keep your elbows out of the way, instead of angling your arm so that your elbow sticks out. I've seen some couples dance with their hands clasped but hanging down - there are all kinds of styles, that's the beauty of tango, it evolves, just like it had been since the beginning. Just wondering why you have all this anger and why you have such a need to make your points in an angry fashion. If you dance the way you write on Tango-L, I can't imagine that any woman would get a pleasure of being your partner on the floor. Caroline Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. first two months FREE. Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:19:00 -0400 From: "golcud@mail.rockefeller.edu" <golcud@mail.rockefeller.edu> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who kn To: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com> Cc: tango-l@mit.edu <1146662340-14036.00013.00346-smmsdV2.1.6@smtp.rockefeller.edu> Actually, the diagonal-elbow mail was not by Derik, but by Janis, I think. Doruk Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:46 +0100 (BST) From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer wh Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com Copy of message received privately, below. Chris Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer wh Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:45 AM Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik,a consumer wh Tine wrote: > I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik > call them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, > same old, boring, BS. This is just the words from this email. Tine, you should be ashamed of yourself. That's a wicked misrepresentation of Derik's email. "The music the DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable ... rather dull" is not calling anyone predictable or dull, let alone '1200 people on this list'. In fact his email contains not a single example of the name-calling you claim. I hope you have the good grace to apologise to Derik and this list as a whole. Chris -------- Original Message -------- Subject:* Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it! From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@yahoo.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT) I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik call them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, same old, boring, BS. This is just the words from this email. You let him do this not just once, but over and over again. For years! Incredible. Mind-boggling! That's another idiot from Texas that you let walk all over you. At least the other one, you elected him, and you know he's not going to be there forever. Don't any of you have any blls on you? (well a few of you do) What's the matter with you? You must all be confusing freedom of speech with the right to be insulted. If people have nothing interesting to contribute, they should not have privileged access to 1200 inboxes. Is this Derik's list, or everybody's list. Tine Continue to Sandbox* \| ARTICLE INDEX

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