2876 Marco´s words
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:30:25 +0200
From: Andreas Wichter <Andreas.Wichter@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Marco´s words
Hello Marco,
you are going way overboard with effectively calling Pichi a "Tango Nazi".
Maybe as a German I am a bit more sensitive to Nazi comparisons than
others, but it is simply too much. You also seem bothered by Pichi not
using the usual "humble" qualifiers with her statements (IMHO etc). A
statement is a statement, outwardly humble or no. Please read on:
>
> >Manuel, you assume that just because Fabian calls them "noches de
> >milongueros" that those dancing are, in fact, milongueros.
>
>
> -I guess the same with you, you ASSUME that your friends are milongueros
> and more over that they are the only living milongueros in buenos aires!
She does have a point. The "Noche de Milongueros" is a label, and then it
is Fabian Salas (or whoever4s) decision who to showcase. Maybe Pichi
should give her list of criteria for qualification as a milonguero.
Criteria that I don4t follow, btw, but she has a right to her opinion,
too. I don4t buy into the milonguero/salon/nuevo style categorization that
is more or less list standard, but I do refer to it when posting and I
don4t vilify others for using it.
>
> >My "approved" list of milongueros: ...
>
> i am really glad you approve all the above gentlemen! i just noticed
that
> you don't approve Ricardo Vidort or Osvaldo Natucci! Perhaps they are
not
> your friends or they just don't like dancing with you! Perhaps you are
> missing MANY more milongueros!!!!!!!
Note that she put "approved" in "". She was asked to give the list of
"approved" milongueros. So she came out when challenged and gets attacked
for it. That4s fine, but please do it a bit less excitedly.
>
> Is it true that your boyfriend is among those approved milongueros?! Do
> those 'approved' milongueros have an ISO-9000? (perhaps it is a good
idea to
> make your own standard.... eg.: TANGO-9001 !!!)
>
> I have to say that the role of tango police is not suitable for you....
i
> generally don't like people that easily come up with their own
definitions
Why that?
> and like categorizing people. (my personal point of view) (eg.: just
what
> hitler did 70 years ago with arian race..., or what u are trying to do
with
> real tango)
Ouch! I assume Pichi is not in the business of exterminating all the non-
milongueros. The real/nuevo discussion has had a few good contributions
the past few days, and valid points were made, but you argue in a way
that4s worse than what you accuse Janis of.
>
> tango is about love and open mindness. I don't know about love but you
> don't really look open-minded...
Since when is tango about open-mindedness? Did I miss something? You4re
probably substituing/projecting your own values here. Open-mindedness is
fine, but why attach it to a perceived tango "value system"?
>
> you always try to judge people and state your opinion like it is the
> constitution of tango.... do you think you always have right? do u ever
make a
> mistake?
As I said, a statement is a statement, personally I find the overuse of
the IMO/IMHO qualifiers rather annoying. I agree that Janis often comes
across as rather strict in her opinions, but hey, so what? She states an
opinion, you disagree, and that4s that.
>
> i always make mistakes! (unlike you) and i should tell you it is really
> fun to make mistakes!
4Nuff said.
>
snip
>
> (do u get any commission for that or you are doing it out of your
heart?)
>
> is it true that you are trying to impose some regulations in BsAs Market
> (by just providing your academic point of view) in people advertising
other
> milongas, events, apartments in buenos aires (by sending them personal
> emails?)?
I don4t follow...regulations? You are a bit too cryptic here. But I doubt
Pichi or anybody else can force any restrictions on the BsAs "market" by
sending e-mails.
>
snip
>
> personally i prefer to talk to portenos and asking them about
milongueros
> and milongueras, than listening to you... people that live there and
dance
> in the milongas there for 10 or 20 years, are the people i trust....
That4s ok. Though each and every one of them probably has his or her own
opinion. The trick is to ask many people and then make up your own mind.
>
> love to all of you
Didn4t sound like a love letter, Marco. Let me state again that I also
don4t agree with everything Pichi believes, our tango views differ. But I
don4t mind at all that she is very forthright. She cannot force you or
anybody to adopt her points of view. So if you disagree, I suggest you
disagree in a somewhat more relaxed manner.
Now will I be accused of being a Pichi follower?
Regards,
Andreas
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