4425 milonguero blah blah blah
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:26:22 -0400
From: "TangoDC.com" <spatz@tangoDC.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] milonguero blah blah blah
To: tango-L@mit.edu
Dear Ruddy et al.,
Thanks for the detective work. This only confirms my suspicion
(expressed earlier, privately) that everyone posting on this list is
actually Alex Krebs playing a joke on himself. How he ended up in
Buffalo, however, with three different email addresses and one address
book between them, is anyone's guess.
In any case...
Let me be the first to stand up for alias rights. I don't particularly
care whether Sergio has multiple personae here or not. Sergio, Viejo,
and Adios have all made good points in these discussions. I've called
Sergio on some BS before, but only because he was writing like a schmuck
when he had earlier proved himself a knowledgeable guy. If we paid more
attention to what people say here, instead of who does the saying, we'd
be onto something. More people might post, fake names or not. More
people might sign on to read what we're taking our time (I hope) to
write. And it might do some good for Tango as a whole, which is the sole
/good/ reason this list is around.
On that note: Is the discussion about whole-body leading vs. torso-only
leading officially over? Or did anyone else have a comment on the topic?
If not, here's a new one...
What's the first lesson you'd give someone who's never had any tango
experience? Or any dance experience whatsoever? Someone eager and
open-minded, but entirely fresh?
Jake Spatz
Washington, DC
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:42:41 +0200
From: Andy <andy.ungureanu@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] milonguero blah blah blah
Cc: tango-L@mit.edu
TangoDC.com schrieb:
> If we paid more
> attention to what people say here, instead of who does the saying, we'd
> be onto something. More people might post, fake names or not. More
> people might sign on to read what we're taking our time (I hope) to
> write. And it might do some good for Tango as a whole, which is the sole
> /good/ reason this list is around.
>
>
Dear Jake,
your argument sounds great. Look at the ideas, not at the names! From a
theoretical point of view (I know you love theories) you are perfectly
right. But let us look at the limited possibilities a normal human has.
Do you read all newspapers in your country? Do look at all pages on the
web? It might be some very interesting and valuable thoughts out there!
I am sure you don't. You make a choice, you have your personal selection
which information you look at and which you ignore. You made this based
on your experience that some sources are good, others are biased by
ideologies, others are simply poor. The same is with authors. You don't
go to the library and read all books in the shelf from left to right. If
you already know an author and you found he is writing nonsense you will
not read all his books and hope one day he might express one genial
thought. He will most likely not express anything new.
It matters who is saying something. If I express some deep thought about
the American economy nobody cares. If Alan Greenspan made one day a very
vague insinuation about the level of the stock exchange, a earthquake
was the result.
Why should someone treat all messages in this list equally? If reading
Tango-L is your only occupation, it might be OK. But most of us have
other things to do, like earning some money or simply go dancing. Many
read this list since years. Almost every argument has already been
written, the same nonsense come up in periodic waves. Even this
discussion has already been carried. It is not easy to find the one new
idea out of hundred old ones. To understand this idea it is important to
know the background of the author. He might use new words, but transmit
the same idea. He might talk about leading, but he is transporting a
message about gender roles of the past century. Another one talks about
leading, but his message is close embrace is the only real tango. They
would never admit it, but if you know their past 100(0) messages, it
becomes clear. The result is, nobody cares about them any longer. So
they choose new addresses and try to reinforce their ideology by
multiplying the apparent number of supporters. Yes, many people believe
nonsense becomes true if enough people repeat it. It works in politics,
in public relations, in advertising, it works here too. But deliberately
multiplying the number of members is cheating.
I don't have the time to care about academic discussions for the sake of
logics. I prefer honest opinions by real men and women, who know what
they are talking about and developed their experience on the floor
(social or stage) and not by imagination. Real honest dancers don't need
to hide their names.
Cheers
Andy
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:14:12 -0400
From: joanneprochaska@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] milonguero blah blah blah
To: andy.ungureanu@t-online.de, tango-L@mit.edu
Andy,
Well Said!
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:42:41 +0200
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] milonguero blah blah blah
TangoDC.com schrieb:
> If we paid more
> attention to what people say here, instead of who does the saying, we'd
> be onto something. More people might post, fake names or not. More
> people might sign on to read what we're taking our time (I hope) to
> write. And it might do some good for Tango as a whole, which is the sole
> /good/ reason this list is around.
>
>
Dear Jake,
your argument sounds great. Look at the ideas, not at the names! From a
theoretical point of view (I know you love theories) you are perfectly
right. But let us look at the limited possibilities a normal human has.
Do you read all newspapers in your country? Do look at all pages on the
web? It might be some very interesting and valuable thoughts out there!
I am sure you don't. You make a choice, you have your personal selection
which information you look at and which you ignore. You made this based
on your experience that some sources are good, others are biased by
ideologies, others are simply poor. The same is with authors. You don't
go to the library and read all books in the shelf from left to right. If
you already know an author and you found he is writing nonsense you will
not read all his books and hope one day he might express one genial
thought. He will most likely not express anything new.
It matters who is saying something. If I express some deep thought about
the American economy nobody cares. If Alan Greenspan made one day a very
vague insinuation about the level of the stock exchange, a earthquake
was the result.
Why should someone treat all messages in this list equally? If reading
Tango-L is your only occupation, it might be OK. But most of us have
other things to do, like earning some money or simply go dancing. Many
read this list since years. Almost every argument has already been
written, the same nonsense come up in periodic waves. Even this
discussion has already been carried. It is not easy to find the one new
idea out of hundred old ones. To understand this idea it is important to
know the background of the author. He might use new words, but transmit
the same idea. He might talk about leading, but he is transporting a
message about gender roles of the past century. Another one talks about
leading, but his message is close embrace is the only real tango. They
would never admit it, but if you know their past 100(0) messages, it
becomes clear. The result is, nobody cares about them any longer. So
they choose new addresses and try to reinforce their ideology by
multiplying the apparent number of supporters. Yes, many people believe
nonsense becomes true if enough people repeat it. It works in politics,
in public relations, in advertising, it works here too. But deliberately
multiplying the number of members is cheating.
I don't have the time to care about academic discussions for the sake of
logics. I prefer honest opinions by real men and women, who know what
they are talking about and developed their experience on the floor
(social or stage) and not by imagination. Real honest dancers don't need
to hide their names.
Cheers
Andy
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:27:12 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] milonguero blah blah blah
To: <joanneprochaska@aol.com>, <andy.ungureanu@t-online.de>,
<tango-L@mit.edu>
Joanne Prochaska wrote:
> Andy,
> Well Said!
I agree
Astrid
> your argument sounds great. Look at the ideas, not at the names! From a
> theoretical point of view (I know you love theories) you are perfectly
> right. But let us look at the limited possibilities a normal human has.
> Do you read all newspapers in your country? Do look at all pages on the
> web? It might be some very interesting and valuable thoughts out there!
> I am sure you don't. You make a choice, you have your personal selection
> which information you look at and which you ignore. You made this based
> on your experience that some sources are good, others are biased by
> ideologies, others are simply poor. The same is with authors. You don't
> go to the library and read all books in the shelf from left to right. If
> you already know an author and you found he is writing nonsense you will
> not read all his books and hope one day he might express one genial
> thought.
