4022 Molinete/Giro
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:51:03 EST
From: LGMoseley@AOL.COM
Subject: Molinete/Giro
Two points:
1. I have always thought that a Giro/Grapevine was fundamentally a 4 step/4
beat movement i.e. Slow Slow Slow Slow. Of course, a different tempo can be
led. A common variant is Slow Slow Quick-Quick Slow. Indeed, some women seem
to know nothing else -the man starts to turn, and she sets off automatically.
We call such ladies Giro Machines. There is nothing wrong with the SSQQS
tempo if it is led, but if it is not, it causes problems. Most of the variations
(Sacadas, Enrosques, Planeos, Drags, etc.) depend on the two dancers moving
to the same tempo, and often the man cannot complete his moves if the lady has
charged off round the circle with an unled QQ.
2. The Mollinete. I learned the Giro first. However, when I learned the
Molinete, the lady's steps were not a Grapevine i.e. not Forward-Side-Behind-Side
or Side-Behind-Side-Forward etc. As one would expect from a Little Mill
(e.g. a pepper mill), which is what Molinete means, I understand, the blades do
not go backwards at any point. Rather the lady's steps consisted simply of
walking round the man - Forward-Forward-Forward-Forward.. For the clockwise
forward Molinete the man will commonly simply cross his right leg behind his
left, and the pivot on alternate feet to unwind. It is commonly easier to do
clockwise than anticlockwise, because tof the asymmetry of the frame. Giros
and Molinetes are both lovely figures, but they are two different ones.
Frankly, I do not know which of the appellations is historically accurate. I
do know that there are these two (and probably other) ways of a lady circling
round a man.
Abrazos tangueros
Laurie (Laurence)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:03:05 -0800
From: Igor Polk <ipolk@VIRTUAR.COM>
Subject: Re: Molinete/Giro
Once we had a little tango party in a park. A group of very old people
watched us and then started dancing in their circuit too. I have noticed
they had some dance training. I came close: "Would you like to try Tango?"
and grabbed a lady. She had no idea about tango but I felt experience in her
legs. I lead her into molinete. I always lead every step in molinete. I lead
molinete pivots too. She was perfect as if she danced for 2 years!
Resistance, easy foot work, very sensitive - it was a new thing for her so
she tried to understand what I was doing. She was all attention. Soon the
idea finally came to her "Oh, that is grapevine!". She started taking her
steps around me. All the magic was gone.
There is one woman in San Francisco. Sometimes I have an honor to dance with
her. She is fastest molinete dancer I have ever danced with!
Vroooom-Vrooom - we spin with the speed when the world totally disappears in
a crazy typhoon. Yes, she gives excess of her energy to me! I accumulate it
and return it back to her accelerating her into the next step.
And what is interesting, flying around the room as if we want to take off to
the moon, we never ever bumped into anything. (...-...) No matter what speed
she is going, she is in total control of her moves! She is very sensitive:
she can stop or change direction not on a step, but on any fraction of a
step! It is amazing how we can suddenly stop rotating with 100 revolutions
per second and freeze in a strictly vertical position %).
How many steps were in those molinetes? I do not know.
Igor Polk
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:19:05 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Molinete/Giro
Dear Igor:
She is fastest molinete dancer I have ever
> danced with!
> Vroooom-Vrooom - we spin with the speed when the
> world totally disappears in
> a crazy typhoon
> How many steps were in those molinetes? I do not
> know.
>
> Igor Polk
I totally agree with you. Who really cares how many
steps there are if th turns are fantastic, but I bet
that she does 4 teps. You might ask her.
********
One of the reasons the follower forms a square around
a circle in a turn, is because tango steps are back
and forth or side to side. Only a square can be formed
with these kind of right angle steps.
Triangles and polygons also fit around a circle, but
they all have diagonal sides. They cannot be formed
with right angle tango steps, which are back and forth
or side to side.
PS- I think that there are also some musical reasons
for the 4 step square in tango. Maybe a triangle works
best for the tango waltz....lol.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- Igor Polk <ipolk@VIRTUAR.COM> wrote:
> Once we had a little tango party in a park. A group
> of very old people
> watched us and then started dancing in their circuit
> too. I have noticed
> they had some dance training. I came close: "Would
> you like to try Tango?"
> and grabbed a lady. She had no idea about tango but
> I felt experience in her
> legs. I lead her into molinete. I always lead every
> step in molinete. I lead
> molinete pivots too. She was perfect as if she
> danced for 2 years!
> Resistance, easy foot work, very sensitive - it was
> a new thing for her so
> she tried to understand what I was doing. She was
> all attention. Soon the
> idea finally came to her "Oh, that is grapevine!".
> She started taking her
> steps around me. All the magic was gone.
>
> There is one woman in San Francisco. Sometimes I
> have an honor to dance with
> her. She is fastest molinete dancer I have ever
> danced with!
> Vroooom-Vrooom - we spin with the speed when the
> world totally disappears in
> a crazy typhoon. Yes, she gives excess of her energy
> to me! I accumulate it
> and return it back to her accelerating her into the
> next step.
> And what is interesting, flying around the room as
> if we want to take off to
> the moon, we never ever bumped into anything.
> (...-...) No matter what speed
> she is going, she is in total control of her moves!
> She is very sensitive:
> she can stop or change direction not on a step, but
> on any fraction of a
> step! It is amazing how we can suddenly stop
> rotating with 100 revolutions
> per second and freeze in a strictly vertical
> position %).
>
> How many steps were in those molinetes? I do not
> know.
>
> Igor Polk
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:22:22 +0000
From: Lucia <curvasreales@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: Molinete/Giro - Workers or dancers
Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM> escribis:> !Caray! I am constantly amazed by the overanalizing of technique on this forum.
So very true..
If it is not Technical Analysis then they are into Partner Psychoanalysis...no wonder that there are much more Tango workers than dancers...
So admirable, and rare, are the couples who dance for the pleasure of it, without giving a damn about perfect technique...they share their pleasure with anyone seeing them......
Lucia
Abrm tu cuenta aqum
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:13:25 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: If tango workers learned to dance Argentine Tango, life would be much better for all...lol. Re: [TANGO-L] Molinete/Giro - Workers or dancers
Dear Lucia:
Barbara Garvey is absolutely right. If the "tango
workers" learned to dance Argentine Tango, life would
be sooo...much better for all of us...lol.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- Lucia <curvasreales@YAHOO.COM.AR> wrote:
> Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM>
> escribis:> !Caray! I am constantly amazed by the
> overanalizing of technique on this forum.
>
> So very true..
>
> If it is not Technical Analysis then they are into
> Partner Psychoanalysis...no wonder that there are
> much more Tango workers than dancers...
>
> So admirable, and rare, are the couples who dance
> for the pleasure of it, without giving a damn about
> perfect technique...they share their pleasure with
> anyone seeing them......
>
> Lucia
>
>
>
>
> Abrm tu cuenta aqum
>
>
