4064 Not Great News
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:41:38 -0800
From: skindance@JUNO.COM
Subject: Re: Not Great News
IMHO i put Keith and Rich and others of similar ilk in the same category
as those illustrious geopolitical "planners"/"strategists" that got the
US and the UK into the 2nd Gulf war and are doing everything they can to
set Moslem against Moslem.
Kirchner to date is not in a war only saber rattling. At stake is control
of tremendous oil reserves so there certainly is a big pot of gold for
Kirchner. The situation has and is changing in South America with the
advent of an increasing number of populous governments, who are not
terribly found of the oil oligarchy centered in the US and the UK.
Kirchner would attach financing form many sources and support from most
of the Moslem world, China, and probably Russia and moral support from
many others. The UK would have to pull its "battle hardened" (and
certainly war weary troops) from an unpopular war that has hurt its
treasury to fight another war that would boomerang on its economy even if
its citizens could be convinced it was necessary.
The situation is a lot different now than before for the UK, considerably
more negative. The nearly bankrupt US would be hard pressed to fulfill
its added problems in Iraq and its idiotic push to attack Iran (starting
the next global war even if simply responding to Iran's response to
Israeli aggression). US citizens are growing weary of their children
being consumed as cannon fodder in senseless wars. Clearly it would be to
Iran's advantage to help finance Kirchner and even withhold oil from the
anti-Kirchner world. In such a situation the House of Saud would be in
deep doo-doo politically. Naturally, Venezuelan oil would be lost to the
UK and her allies. Kirchner could reduce unemployment by increasing the
armed forces, improving the economy while winning brownie points with
both the military and the people.
It would be smart for the oil oligarchs to cave, cutting a deal with
Kirchner whether sincere or not. It would be up to Kirchner to safeguard
his gain against the times when his country might not have such
advantage. Conditions are certainly in Kirchner's favor to push the issue
now when conditions are in his favor.
And while you may not care for Maggie Thatcher, i will forever have a
warm place in my heart for that gutsy women. She stood up to the secrecy
of the Bilderbergers, knowing it would cost her dearly in politics.
No, I would be hard pressed to recommend you as geopolitical analysts. To
my thinking you probably believe that the Sunni's were behind the recent
bombing of the shrine in Samarra, failing to ask the most critical
question cui bono the most from the event.
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:52:04 -0800
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - take it off list
This isn't tango. Please take this discussion
off-list.
Thanks,
Trini de Pitsburgh
--- skindance@JUNO.COM wrote:
> IMHO i put Keith and Rich and others of similar ilk
> in the same category
> as those illustrious geopolitical
> "planners"/"strategists" that got the
> US and the UK into the 2nd Gulf war and are doing
> everything they can to
> set Moslem against Moslem.
>
etc.
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:35:18 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - leave it on list
Hi Trini, just thought I'd offer a different opinion.
I think this topc is highly relevant to any tangueros contemplating travel
to Argentina. We are not immune from political realities. For example, the
posted analysis suggesting an advantageous link between Argentina and Iran
is something I never would have thought about, but it certainly is relevant
if there is risk that Argentina might be branded as a "terrorist
sympathizer" government, thus prompting travel restrictions or gestapo
interrogations of those americans returning from there.
I and anyone can delete the message identified in the subject line if we
object or tire of the material. I vote to keep the discussion on the list. I
personally want to stay abreast of what's going on.
J in Portland
www.TangoMoments.com
----Original Message Follows----
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:27:43 -0500
From: rtara <rtara@MAINE.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - leave it on list
I agree. Keep news of happenings in Argentina on the list. It would be good
to have some idea about the situation, both social and political, if we are
travelling there.
Robin
Tara Design, Inc.
www.taratangoshoes.com
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So. Portland ME 04106
207-741-2992--
> From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Reply-To: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:35:18 +0000
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Not Great News - leave it on list
>
> Hi Trini, just thought I'd offer a different opinion.
>
> I think this topc is highly relevant to any tangueros contemplating travel
> to Argentina. We are not immune from political realities. For example, the
> posted analysis suggesting an advantageous link between Argentina and Iran
> is something I never would have thought about, but it certainly is relevant
> if there is risk that Argentina might be branded as a "terrorist
> sympathizer" government, thus prompting travel restrictions or gestapo
> interrogations of those americans returning from there.
>
> I and anyone can delete the message identified in the subject line if we
> object or tire of the material. I vote to keep the discussion on the list. I
> personally want to stay abreast of what's going on.
>
> J in Portland
> www.TangoMoments.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
>
> This isn't tango. Please take this discussion
> off-list.
>
> Thanks,
> Trini de Pitsburgh
>
> --- skindance@JUNO.COM wrote:
>
>> IMHO i put Keith and Rich and others of similar ilk
>> in the same category
>> as those illustrious geopolitical
>> "planners"/"strategists" that got the
>> US and the UK into the 2nd Gulf war and are doing
>> everything they can to
>> set Moslem against Moslem.
>>
>
> etc.
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
> https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
>
>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:30 -0800
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - leave it on list
Hi Jay,
How was Valentango this year?
I would agree with you about the point about travelers
- if the discussion could be kept to points of fact
and not conjecture or personal political opinions.
Trini
--- Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Hi Trini, just thought I'd offer a different
> opinion.
>
> I think this topc is highly relevant to any
> tangueros contemplating travel
> to Argentina. We are not immune from political
> realities. For example, the
> posted analysis suggesting an advantageous link
> between Argentina and Iran
> is something I never would have thought about, but
> it certainly is relevant
> if there is risk that Argentina might be branded as
> a "terrorist
> sympathizer" government, thus prompting travel
> restrictions or gestapo
> interrogations of those americans returning from
> there.
>
> I and anyone can delete the message identified in
> the subject line if we
> object or tire of the material. I vote to keep the
> discussion on the list. I
> personally want to stay abreast of what's going on.
>
> J in Portland
> www.TangoMoments.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
>
> This isn't tango. Please take this discussion
> off-list.
>
> Thanks,
> Trini de Pitsburgh
>
> --- skindance@JUNO.COM wrote:
>
> > IMHO i put Keith and Rich and others of similar
> ilk
> > in the same category
> > as those illustrious geopolitical
> > "planners"/"strategists" that got the
> > US and the UK into the 2nd Gulf war and are doing
> > everything they can to
> > set Moslem against Moslem.
> >
>
> etc.
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> most popular social dance.
> https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
>
>
> protection around
>
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:57:38 -0500
From: Martin Waxman <martin@WAXMAN.NET>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - leave it on list
It's NOT Argentine Tango.
Keep politics off the list.
M
At 12:35 PM 2/27/2006, Jay Rabe wrote:
>Hi Trini, just thought I'd offer a different opinion.
>
>I think this topc is highly relevant to any tangueros contemplating travel
>to Argentina. We are not immune from political realities. For example, the
>posted analysis suggesting an advantageous link between Argentina and Iran
>is something I never would have thought about, but it certainly is relevant
>if there is risk that Argentina might be branded as a "terrorist
>sympathizer" government, thus prompting travel restrictions or gestapo
>interrogations of those americans returning from there.
>
>I and anyone can delete the message identified in the subject line if we
>object or tire of the material. I vote to keep the discussion on the list. I
>personally want to stay abreast of what's going on.
>
> J in Portland
> www.TangoMoments.com
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
>
>This isn't tango. Please take this discussion
>off-list.
>
>Thanks,
>Trini de Pitsburgh
>
>--- skindance@JUNO.COM wrote:
>
> > IMHO i put Keith and Rich and others of similar ilk
> > in the same category
> > as those illustrious geopolitical
> > "planners"/"strategists" that got the
> > US and the UK into the 2nd Gulf war and are doing
> > everything they can to
> > set Moslem against Moslem.
> >
>
>etc.
>
>PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
>Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
>https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
>
>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:26:01 -0800
From: steve pastor <tang0man2005@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - leave it on list
Sorry, Martin. I agree with Jay that this material is appropriate.
Argentine Tango is not just a dance to some of us. It represents another culture. In general those of us who live here in the U.S. don't get a whole lot of information about the rest of the world, much to our detriment.
I want to learn about what is going on in Argentina. It helps us understand the culture than is responsible for the music and the dance that we love. And, it helps us understand the behaviors that go along with Argentine Tango.
So, to those of you in the know... Keep it comin'.
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:25:39 -0500
From: Ilene Marder <imhmedia@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - leave it on list
Can anyone direct me to the original article about what is happening re:
the Malvinas...? If it was posted here I missed it..
I also think it is appropriate to offer info that raises awareness of
political situations in a country many of us visit often.
An extended discussion is not necessarily appropriate... those
interested can take that off list...
steve pastor wrote:
>Sorry, Martin. I agree with Jay that this material is appropriate.
> Argentine Tango is not just a dance to some of us. It represents another culture. In general those of us who live here in the U.S. don't get a whole lot of information about the rest of the world, much to our detriment.
> I want to learn about what is going on in Argentina. It helps us understand the culture than is responsible for the music and the dance that we love. And, it helps us understand the behaviors that go along with Argentine Tango.
> So, to those of you in the know... Keep it comin'.
>
>
>Yahoo! Mail
>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:18:22 +0000
From: Lucia <curvasreales@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: Not Great News - take it off list - or something else...
The Tango discussion forum in death throes?
Lucia ;->
"Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM> escribis: This isn't tango. Please take this discussion
off-list.
Thanks,
Trini de Pitsburgh
Abrm tu cuenta aqum
